Oh no! Wall-E!

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Oh look, now you're civil.

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Segaholic2 wrote:Pepperidge, sounds to me like you completely misunderstood the "conflict" in the movie. The robots weren't evil or controlling humanity, they were simply following directives for humanity's protection. The only thing really keeping the humans in space was their own complacent attitude and a lack of vision and desire to better themselves, which is what Wall-E inadvertently helps them find. The message of the film isn't to rise up against our horrible robot oppressors, but that humans can be capable of great good if we just apply ourselves.
Evil was probably the wrong word to use. My point was that humanity's plight as we see it in the film would've been better portrayed as being a direct evolution from our current consumer-driven lifestyle, which is how it first appeared. But eventually it is revealed that humanity's lack of vision and desire to progress were the result of robots implementing orders in a questionable fashion rather than by their own societal vices. I don't know, maybe the fact that I wanted things to play out that way just means that I have less faith in humanity that I seem to think.

Also, I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the fact that there weren't any Asians in the movie.

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I never really got the idea that AUTO and the rest of of the Axiom robots had purposely intended to turn humans into adult-babies over the centuries. It seemed to happen over time due to the Axiom being a space-cruise ship. The closest argument where you might say AUTO becomes "evil" is, after going against the captain's orders, he tips the ship without warning to prevent the captain in succeeding his goal. That careless action potentially harms passengers, especially the babies, and goes against the president's orders to preserve humanity.

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Pixar movies have Asians?

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Just saw Wall-E a couple days ago. And I have to say, it's definitely one of the most beautiful and accomplished films they've ever put out. The sheer amount of emotion they can convey with so little dialogue is astounding, and is something that's earned the guys at Pixar even more of my respect (if they didn't have enough already...). The scenes with the humans were a bit awkward at times (i.e. "Get ready to have kids!"), but ultimately, they weren't meant to be the centerpiece of the movie. Wall-E and Eve's romance is the real story, and is truly what drives the plot. To this end they succeeded brilliantly, right-wing skeptics be damned. Overall, one of my favorites, definitely. I'll probably go for a second viewing sometime in the near future.

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Cuckooguy wrote:Pixar movies have Asians?
I think they mentioned Japan once or twice in Toy Story 2. That counts, right?

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Pepperidge wrote:My point was that humanity's plight as we see it in the film would've been better portrayed as being a direct evolution from our current consumer-driven lifestyle, which is how it first appeared. But eventually it is revealed that humanity's lack of vision and desire to progress were the result of robots implementing orders in a questionable fashion rather than by their own societal vices. I don't know, maybe the fact that I wanted things to play out that way just means that I have less faith in humanity that I seem to think.
Are you sure your first impression wasn't right? Even if Auto's directive misguided directive had continued, it had nothing to do with the real problem regarding lack of vision and desire to progress, which was that they were in a fantastic place that no one was really enjoying. Even if all the humans on the ship believed that Earth was uninhabitable, they still could have worked from the ship toward other objectives (even personal progress is something), rather than just talking on their cell phones all day. The two humans who encounter Wall-E are transformed simply by stopping and taking a look around, something the robots could not possibly have prevented if anyone actually chose to do it.

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Locit wrote:
Cuckooguy wrote:Pixar movies have Asians?
I think they mentioned Japan once or twice in Toy Story 2. That counts, right?
One of the news reporters in Cars spoke Japanese.

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Well, I saw Wall•E today, and I approve. I think it's an exceptional example of how body language can tell a story as well as or better than words. (NiGHTS vs. NiGHTS 2, anyone?)

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NiGHTS 1 had no body language . . . at least that told any semblance of a story.

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The cutscenes did, which is mostly what I was referring to. ;)

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Ah, I thought you were talking about some dramatic in-between levels real-time animated sequences that I had missed.

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