This is why Christianity is made fun of

M.C.Dillinger · Post by **M.C.Dillinger** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:51 pm

You MAKE your purpose in life.

Radrappy · Post by **Radrappy** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:27 pm

our purpose in life is to serve and worship some sort of omnipotent cosmic being? :(

I agree that we establish our own purpose in life.

M.C.Dillinger · Post by **M.C.Dillinger** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:33 pm

GOOOOOALLL!

Post by **Popcorn** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:33 pm

Incidentally, people: anyone who supports me in argument may be spared when the time of the cleansing comes.

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:39 pm

Popcorn wrote:
smiths32 wrote:Check this shit out.

Once again an argument stemming from the fact that we humans must have a set beginning and end, and since we cannot fathom it we try to reject it. GOD has been around forever, keep thinking about it and your head will hurt.

Kishi · Post by **Kishi** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:39 pm

Popcorn wrote:Incidentally, people: anyone who supports me in argument may be spared when the time of the cleansing comes.

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"I believe in science!"

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:51 pm

I've been quietly but heartily agreeing with Pop ever since Page 1. I just can't be bothered to actually post and get tangled up in yet another theological debate (I have a couple of ever-pushy Christian friends who keep trying to "save" me all the time). I hope that counts for something.

If not, then...uh... God sucks. Yeah, there you go. Debate that.

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:03 pm

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opionion still"
is what this is coming down to.

Post by **Popcorn** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:05 pm

Wooduck51 wrote:"A man convinced against his will is of the same opionion still"
is what this is coming down to.

If you don't want to participate in the debate, fuck off.

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:11 pm

I'd love to participate but it is unclear what the hell we are trying to debate.

Post by **Popcorn** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:13 pm

Wooduck51 wrote:I'd love to participate but it is unclear what the hell we are trying to debate.

Well, some of us are managing it, and enjoying it, and it doesn't help when you turn up, announce the fact that you have no idea what anyone's talking about and then declare the whole thing stupid and that we're not getting anywhere. Move along, pilgrim.

Light Speed · Post by **Light Speed** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:13 pm

I haven't even read 80% of this thread and I can tell you what they are debating. Religion versus science and all the similar arguments intertwined.

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:20 pm

Sorry, it slid in a few different directions and wanted to be sure. And I apologize for being a dick.

Moving on: ask me any question you want, I have a book nearby for doing such things, c'mon try me

Post by **Popcorn** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:22 pm

If you want to contribute, voice an opinion or challenge someone else's.

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:48 pm

I did not want to do this but here is my opionion, oppose it all you want:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.............

there you go as well put as possible.

M.C.Dillinger · Post by **M.C.Dillinger** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:58 pm

^ what does that proof exactly?

I'm STILL waiting...

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:04 pm

If you did not read it all you cannot really disagree, can you?

And also to quickly cover evolution: If evolution worked so hard to produce us, why don't more monkeys give birth to humans? why would evolution just stop?

Post by **Delphine** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:04 pm

M.C.Dillinger wrote:You MAKE your purpose in life.

Exactly what I wanted to say. We created religion. I have never, ever, ever, ever, ever seen proof of any sort of god. At all. I've tried, believe me. I went through a several year period of searching for the one and only Truth, and the thing is -- there's isn't one.* There are so many many different ways of looking at the world we inhabit and every single rule and law and belief we have is made up.

Everything in life beyond basic survival was created by us. We wrote the laws, we wrote the holy books, we decide what's right and what's wrong. Sure, things like murder seem like an obvious wrong -- and I am in no way supporting it -- but there are places in the the world today -- yes, today -- where it's acceptable to kill someone else because they pissed you off. Hell, rape is one of the worst things you can do to a person, and people in our advanced civilized country tend to look the other way.

Look at Scientology. I'm pretty sure everyone in here can agree that's it's pure bullshit -- the guy who created it did it for the monies. And yet we have tons and tons of people who really, truly believe that all that crap is true. How is Christianity or Islam or any of the other hundreds of religions different? Because the religion's believers say so? Because they have greater numbers? Because their religion is older?

To paraphrase what I said in the post that Popcorn destroyed with his nonbelief in the quote button, believe what you want, I really don't care. But I cannot and will not believe in a complete fabrication just to give my life meaning.

And PS, guys, if you don't like the argument, piss off. There are a dozen other threads active right now.

P.P.S. Wooduck, please don't discuss evolution without actually understanding what it is. And posting passages from the Bible is only proof that you have a Bible. Faith is not proof.

*Forgot my asterisk. I was very, very angry and bitter and depressed when I came to this realization, so don't think I wanted to believe there was nothing there.

M.C.Dillinger · Post by **M.C.Dillinger** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:11 pm

Wooduck51 wrote:If you did not read it all you cannot really disagree, can you?

How did you know...

guess my favorite quote!

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:14 pm

And no one has proven me wrong yet.

Post by **Delphine** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:26 pm

Proven what wrong? Where's your argument? You posted a passage from the Bible. And? What's your point? What are we arguing against? I'm not the best debater -- is this some new form of debate people are using now? Here, wait, let me try it.

To get a better idea try this: focus on these words, and whatever you do don't let your eyes wander past the perimeter of this page. Now imagine just beyond your peripheral vision, maybe behind you, maybe to the side of you, maybe even in front of you, but right where you can't see it, something is quietly closing in on you, so quiet in fact you can only hear it as silence. Find those pockets without sound. That's where it is. Right at this moment. But don't look. Keep your eyes here. Now take a deep breath. Go ahead and take an even deeper one. Only this time as you start to exhale try to imagine how fast it will happen, how hard it's gonna hit you, how many times it will stab your jugular with its teeth or are they nails?, don't worry, that particular detail doesn't matter, because before you have time to even process that you should be moving, you should be running, you should at the very least be flinging up your arms -- you sure as hell should be getting rid of this book -- you won't have time to even scream.
Don't look.
I didn't.

There, that is my opinion. Prove me wrong!

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:47 pm

have no idea what that was Delphine, sorry.
No scientific argument is airtight and can explain everything, on the other hand the Bible's answer is real simple, God is all powerful and made everything. You can say blind faith but no amount of science can really 1oo% prove that that is not true. And another thing, this argument is not religion versus science, it is Christianity versus science, otherwise you would be trying to disprove other religions as well. And last of all a question that always amazes me, why do people hate the idea of eternal life so much? if everything you are trying to prove with science was true, then when you die, that's it. Is it because we humans love misery?

And I won't be back until morning, I have to go to work.

Post by **Delphine** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:06 pm

Wooduck51 wrote:have no idea what that was Delphine, sorry.

Likewise.

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:55 pm

Wooduck51 wrote:And also to quickly cover evolution: If evolution worked so hard to produce us, why don't more monkeys give birth to humans? why would evolution just stop?

Come back to this part of the conversation when you have even the slightest clue what the fuck you're talking about.

Wooduck51 wrote:No scientific argument is airtight and can explain everything, on the other hand the Bible's answer is real simple, God is all powerful and made everything.

So you'll take a bollocksy baseless answer over no answer at all?

Wooduck51 wrote:You can say blind faith but no amount of science can really 1oo% prove that that is not true.

It doesn't have to, because it's a baseless claim.

Wooduck51 wrote:And another thing, this argument is not religion versus science, it is Christianity versus science, otherwise you would be trying to disprove other religions as well.

We've been discussing religion in general. Even mentioned Scientology. Christianity has come up more than others because it's the religion most people on this board are most familiar with.

Wooduck51 wrote:And last of all a question that always amazes me, why do people hate the idea of eternal life so much? if everything you are trying to prove with science was true, then when you die, that's it. Is it because we humans love misery?

I'm sure we'd all love to be able to go to a heaven. Can't get any better than eternal paradise. But wishing that something were true is not a good reason to start actually believing it to be true. It'd be great if Father Christmas was real, but he's not.

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:54 pm

Delphine wrote:Faith is not proof.

Isn't this what this whole debate is about? I mean, obviously you can take a stance like Pop's and believe that all religions contribute to the detriment of society, or you can take the crazy-ass quote the Bible like crazy for some reason Wooduck51 route about things, or any of many numerous other paths there are. However, seeing as religion and science are so fundamentally different is it really necessary to hate one because you are supportive of the other? I am in fact a Christian, but that doesn't mean I hate science and want to burn the heretic unbelievers. I am behind a great number of things that are generally considered on the side of 'science' when it comes down to it, ranging from stem cells to pretty much whatever you can think of. I totally respect the position Pop has taken, and I don't have it in my head to try and 'save' him or anyone else on the board that says they don't believe or some nonsense like that (see pretty much all of Wooduck51's posts). However, I don't think if you are going to allow people to have their own beliefs of what is sacred that you should go right around in the next sentence and call God "some prick in the sky". It is not that you have to show their religion itself respect, but at least give the people themselves some consideration. Admittedly this comes back to what Pop was saying earlier about it being a personal issue, but I don't think that just because a personal issue revolves around something that you don't believe in means you can toss it to the side like so much garbage when speaking to a person, even if you think it is such.

If I've made any logical leaps please feel free to tear above post apart, but I've really tried to put together a sensible little paragraph about what I think concerning the issue. And sorry if I've repeated something we've already talked about, it's a very long and dense topic and I'm terrible at debate!