Good reason to lose faith in humanity.

Post by **Segaholic2** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:16 am

They're worse than what we have here because as the video showed, they can do stuff like run around slapping random people who are helpless to do anything even in the name of self-defense.

-wyvern · Post by **-wyvern** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:52 am

Yeah, I used to get into a lot of fights, and one of the things that the brainless government does here is set "targets" for crime - ie if too many people get charged with an offense like an assault then the council gets it in the neck. Genius! They also never take into account that chavs have this astonishing, inexplicable tendancy to LIE when faced with police interrogation. Even in cases when you are were obviously fighting for your life and/or ipod, it's still always your word against thiers, and since the police get slapped if they convict too many criminals they are usually content to just have a little talk with both of you about how wrong it is to start street fights and then turf you out untouched.

Whereupon someone visits your house at night and smashes your windows. And you don't bother reporting it.

Kishi · Post by **Kishi** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:46 am

England needs more policework as seen in A Clockwork Orange.

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:14 am

Most chavs seem to base themselves on US rappers and the like. Hence the wierd language and arrogance.

smiths32 · Post by **smiths32** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:20 am

I remember getting into an argument with some chavs, their vocabulary of insults (and most likely conversational words) consisted of "wanka," and "pedo." The thing that made me laugh the most was how one had a picture of an X-box beside his name and upon being asked about it he replied with "No, I don fuckin have a piece of shit like dat you wanka." Oh the irony.

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:07 am

I remember mentioning how I got beat up by eight (yes, eight) guys while out strolling down my street. Turns out my mate Neal knows them and they thought it was hilarious to kick the shit out of me insofar as was possible with me attemping to fight back with my skateboard. One of the guys even bit me so hard I'm permanently scarred. Proper fucking hilarious that is, right?

What's worse is that this shit goes on 24/7 absolutely anywhere in any reasonably large town in the UK and coppers and parents alike seem to think it's "all just a phase" and people will "grow out of it". All I can say is WAKE THE FUCK UP. People I knew have been stabbed and killed for pocket change by scum-of-the-Earth, Kappa-tracksuited 14-year-old faggot kids with ear studs and shaved eyebrows. It's not just some petty school-boy scuffles. These animals are eventually going to be old enough (read: 15) to breed, and their children will be the same, if not worse.

I can remember the days when shit wasn't this bad; only 2 years ago I could walk the streets high as a kite and feel safe and secure. I could spend a day in the park listening to music, or just loiter at the chippy or the War Memorial passing the hours. I don't even feel safe enough to walk 10 fucking minutes down my own street, literally for fear of my life, and it's absolutely ludicrous.

We need people to realise how serious this stuff is. We need coppers on the streets 24/7. People like me shouldn't have to be afraid of popping to the shops just because of some arrogant little shites that are half our height and intellect and somehow impervious to even nuclear war. Until our Law enforcenment gets its shit together, my standpoint remains thusly; the sooner I move out of this Godforsaken slice of South-East suburbia the better.

DarkPrime · Post by **DarkPrime** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:56 am

They sound like just the type of people I like to beat up. Another reason why it's a very bad idea for me to visit England.

One Eminem-wannabe asked me, as I was walking down the street one day, "What you doin' on my turf, nigga?" I ain't black, but apparently I'm a "nigga". I told him to kindly step out of my way and he told me to "make him". So I slammed his face into the side of a building. He cried like a little baby.

Fun times.

-wyvern · Post by **-wyvern** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:00 am

DarkPrime for president.

Sadly, chavs in the UK have learned to travel in packs. Cowadice is invariably the safest option.

Post by **Delphine** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:42 pm

-wyvern wrote:the police get slapped if they convict too many criminals

Are you... are you serious?

DarkPrime · Post by **DarkPrime** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:48 pm

Delphine wrote:
-wyvern wrote:the police get slapped if they convict too many criminals
Are you... are you serious?

If the police conivict too many criminals, that must mean they aren't keeping the town safe in the first place. Criminals in jail must mean that there were criminals on the street.

Post by **Delphine** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:51 pm

You can't be serious. You're making it up. It's a silly English joke on the dumb Americans. Right?

DarkPrime · Post by **DarkPrime** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:56 pm

Stick your head up your butt. Then everything will make sense.

-wyvern · Post by **-wyvern** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:27 pm

EDIT: Whoops, spent ten minutes typing a massive story by which time someone has given a much better answer. Oh well.

Every election statistics are always an issue, and the government decided that if you set a "target" for convictions, crime would go down, or at least, appear to go down. See, if the conviction rate is over the target rate, the head of whatever public service department in the region is sacked, and they try again with a new one. So if you can boast that convictions, or waiting lists, or school explusions or whatever has gone down you get to print it on your manifesto and wave it in our faces every five minutes on television. Of course it's bullshit; the targets have gone down, but anyone actually living in the real world will tell you that things are the same if not worse. Nowhere is this more true than on the streets with petty crime. Chavs are basically a group of people who have learned that they can act how they want, and society will have no reasonable way of stopping them, because the authorities are kept from reacting by these ridiculously stupid guidelines.

I've had recent experience of this, too. I am in the upper college at the moment, and for my AS physics assesment practical I was doing an experiment in using a gieger counter to find the number of decays in a specific object per second. Our school has a counter machine but it's broken, so you have to actually take down the beeps yourself - which means it helps if I can hear my experiment. Well, fuck me if a chav four years my junior and his buddies start hammering on the windows into the prep room where I'm working. I can't hear. Getting a reliable rate of detection for gamma radiation takes about 10 minutes a reading, and I had a lot of readings to do, so this pissed me off rather effectively. When it became clear that nothing could be done to help the experiment, off I go to complain at the teacher taking the kid's class. With a gang of chavs in a science lesson, it's predictable chaos and the teacher is a poor young lady who is powerless to do anything, so I went to the head of the sixth form instead (sixth form is like the college add on to our school - it's a very big school), being sassed all the way. After explaining in the simplest terms possible to Mr. Price that if this guy keeps acting the way he is I will severly injure him, the man follows me back to the lab. Well, as soon as we return, chavvykins+co go on the defensive. He's never seen me. He doesn't know why he's being victimised. If he was being a dick to me, why isn't he getting his ass kicked? Mr. Price has a word with him, and off he goes. Later I meet sir again, and ask him what's going to be done since I had to abandon my experiment and my deadline is on the horizon, grinning sarcasticly at me. The response didn't shock me.

"I've had a word with him, he says he doesn't know you or what the problem is, and frankly he had a lot of people around him who say you threatened him."

Well, yeah.

"You have to set an example; you're in the sixth form and behaviour like that won't be tolerated. This student was being disruptive, but I have nothing to prove that he was seriously doing something specifically against you."

So I sabotaged my experiment, in deference to a sarcastic deadline, just to pick on some poor maladjusted kid?

"I'm sorry, my hands are tied. If you hear of him following you and bullying you in the next couple of days, tell me and I'll have a word with him."

He later apologised to me for not being able to do something about it, as well as subjecting me to the indignity of being 'bullied' by someone HALF MY SIZE. In return, I apologised for using such colourful language to describe my experience. Mr. Price isn't a bad guy or anything; his hands really were tied. Mum is good friends with a school governer, and they explained that nowerdays, even DETENTIONS are frowned on. No joke, no kidding. I've had problems with this dude's extreme stylings in the past as well as since, but the most that has ever happened is a 'little talk', followed by an emphatic and convincing denial from him which gets him off. He just gets away with it. That's how it works.

My friends and I have dealt with loads of this kind of thing for at least a couple of years; and it is a recent phenominon, too. I spent a lot of my time in the lower years beating and getting beaten on and back then they took severe measures like keep me inside at break for three months at a time to stop it. And it did, I can now control my temper. Although nowerdays, I think that if I lashed out a little more, I would be doing more good than harm.

...Whew, that was long. I'm sure that any other english natives will be able to recite stories of a similar nature to any horrified foreigners who care to listen (and probably much more concisely than I can).

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:15 pm

I could rattle off thousands of them, but then I'll get all moody and have to go out punching lampposts again.

Gwilym · Post by **Gwilym** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:24 pm

I'd go out punching lampposts too, but they cover it in anti climbing paint and it makes such a fucking mess.
But anyway, I live in Holland. And whereas you people have chavs - we have people wearing tight jeans and leather jackets. It's as if everybody wants to be a T-Bird.

-wyvern · Post by **-wyvern** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:31 pm

I punched a wall once, really hard. It cut my knuckle right down to the bone.

Gwilym · Post by **Gwilym** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:38 pm

You seem like a very angry person.

-wyvern · Post by **-wyvern** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:44 pm

No, I'm nice really. The wall was just in my way. Although it has given me a kind of ring in scar tissue around my middle finger. It sounds cool until I tell people about the dumb thing I did to get it.

Dache · Post by **Dache** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:51 pm

Delphine wrote:Because these chavs of yours are obedient law abiding citizens.

You're correct in your sarcasm, but because no one has guns, it's also completely impossible to get them here. I could go out tonight and buy any illegal drug on the street, but no matter how hard I tried, I wouldn't be able to buy a gun of any sort.

Actual gangsters such as yardies and the like obviously have them, but chavs? Nope.

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Sun May 01, 2005 3:39 am

Move to canada...

Post by **Delphine** » Sun May 01, 2005 10:56 am

But I don't like moose.

Ash Holt · Post by **Ash Holt** » Sun May 01, 2005 11:39 am

The answer is obviously guns and karate. Or karate with guns.

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Sun May 01, 2005 11:42 am

I'm not sure about Karate but I'm thinking about taking up Aikido at a nearby Aikido school.

Gwilym · Post by **Gwilym** » Sun May 01, 2005 11:53 am

Take up guns. You don't need to do any of those damned warm up things.

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Sun May 01, 2005 12:28 pm

lol but guns take no skill and they cause crime.