Wait... Capcom!?

[Grant]

Because there wereno edgy cartoons before South Park.

<a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 8">Nope</a>, <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=& ... earch">not at all.</a>

I don't get it.

[Tsuyoshi-kun]

Prior to South Park, the Ren and Stimpy clones were all dying down, Beavis and Butthead was about to end, and then WHAM!

South Park came.

Even if it wasn't the cause of edgy cartoons today (which it isn't; like you guys pointed out, Ren and Stimpy came first), South Park was the show that showed American companies you don't need things like good art or a frame rate to be popular, which would've been fine if not for companies copycating its success. Now every cartoon looks like it's animated on fucking Flash (just look at The Proud Family, Yakkity Yak, Atomic Betty, and a lot of other crappy shows), and it actually hurts my eyes to look at some of this crap. Animators got lazy, and it's all thanks to South Park.

Yes, limited animation was around prior to South Park (Rocky and Bullwinkle, for one, as well as the majority of HB cartoons), but they didn't run through the 1990s, where the motto seemed to be "If it's popular, copycat it". And when it came to animation, that's what South Park caused; a generation of edgy, poorly animation crap fests that look they were produced on Flash (and not the expensive kind, either; I mean the kind use people who make Web cartoons use). It's one thing for this kind of stuff to be on the Internet for free; it's another when you're paying $50 a month for cable for awful-looking drivel like Hi Hi Puffy Amiyumi.

[Tsuyoshi-kun]

Though the art might have been pushing it, I highly doubt it would have warped my little 11 year-old mind. One has to remember though, Vis was originally releasing these as a monthly comic. The kind you see in....you know, grocery stores. Had an average American mom looked at it, they'd have been up in arms, possibly refusing to buy another Pokemon product for thier kid again; and it would have only given those "POkEMAn Wuz M4dE BI T3h DEVIL!!!!111" religious groups more fuel for thier fires. Seeing as the craze was at it's peak, it's understandable that they wouldn't want to take that risk.

I bought the unedited version of the first chapter in a Superfresh once. Then again, it was wrapped in plastic.

[Baba O'Reily]

(which it isn't; like you guys pointed out, Ren and Stimpy came first)

I win.

[Locit]

a generation of edgy, poorly animation crap fests that look they were produced on Flash

Totally playing the Foster's card.

[plasticwingsband]

Prior to South Park, the Ren and Stimpy clones were all dying down, Beavis and Butthead was about to end, and then WHAM!

South Park came.

Even if it wasn't the cause of edgy cartoons today (which it isn't; like you guys pointed out, Ren and Stimpy came first), South Park was the show that showed American companies you don't need things like good art or a frame rate to be popular, which would've been fine if not for companies copycating its success. Now every cartoon looks like it's animated on fucking Flash (just look at The Proud Family, Yakkity Yak, Atomic Betty, and a lot of other crappy shows), and it actually hurts my eyes to look at some of this crap. Animators got lazy, and it's all thanks to South Park.

Yes, limited animation was around prior to South Park (Rocky and Bullwinkle, for one, as well as the majority of HB cartoons), but they didn't run through the 1990s, where the motto seemed to be "If it's popular, copycat it". And when it came to animation, that's what South Park caused; a generation of edgy, poorly animation crap fests that look they were produced on Flash (and not the expensive kind, either; I mean the kind use people who make Web cartoons use). It's one thing for this kind of stuff to be on the Internet for free; it's another when you're paying $50 a month for cable for awful-looking drivel like Hi Hi Puffy Amiyumi.

The only episode of South Park that's animated poorly is the pilot, and that's due to the fact that it was actually made using stop-motion animation and construction paper. However, I'm inclined to believe that you probably haven't seen an episode in quite some time.

I'm not really sure what you mean by saying that South Park is a "poorly animation [sic] crap fest," as it isn't poorly-animated at all. Could you elaborate on this? They use a simple art style, sure, but saying that it's crap because they chose the aesthetic that they did is akin to saying that Wind Waker's graphics sucked because they're cel-shaded.

And it's funny, to boot.

[Baba O'Reily]

Prior to South Park, the Ren and Stimpy clones were all dying down, Beavis and Butthead was about to end, and then WHAM!

South Park came.

Even if it wasn't the cause of edgy cartoons today (which it isn't; like you guys pointed out, Ren and Stimpy came first), South Park was the show that showed American companies you don't need things like good art or a frame rate to be popular, which would've been fine if not for companies copycating its success. Now every cartoon looks like it's animated on fucking Flash (just look at The Proud Family, Yakkity Yak, Atomic Betty, and a lot of other crappy shows), and it actually hurts my eyes to look at some of this crap. Animators got lazy, and it's all thanks to South Park.

Yes, limited animation was around prior to South Park (Rocky and Bullwinkle, for one, as well as the majority of HB cartoons), but they didn't run through the 1990s, where the motto seemed to be "If it's popular, copycat it". And when it came to animation, that's what South Park caused; a generation of edgy, poorly animation crap fests that look they were produced on Flash (and not the expensive kind, either; I mean the kind use people who make Web cartoons use). It's one thing for this kind of stuff to be on the Internet for free; it's another when you're paying $50 a month for cable for awful-looking drivel like Hi Hi Puffy Amiyumi.

Listen to Brain Damage. Think deep thoughts.

[Tsuyoshi-kun]

I didn't mean to bash South Park. South Park itself looks fine to me, and I like its simplistic art and deranged humor.

I guess what really killed animation was people just stopped trying. Because it sure ain't because of a lack of ideas.

Winner is Baba!

[plasticwingsband]

I didn't mean to bash South Park. South Park itself looks fine to me, and I like its simplistic art and deranged humor.

I guess what really killed animation was people just stopped trying. Because it sure ain't because of a lack of ideas.

Winner is Baba!

Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying. I do agree about the other shows looking like shit, though. Then again, I'm pretty sure that even a billion dollar animation budget couldn't save shit like The Proud Family from sucking ass.

[Segaholic2]

Why are you even comparing any animation to stuff from the Disney Channel? Comparing any television to anything from the Disney Channel is like comparing a Milky Way bar to a turd log. Sure, they're both chocolate...

[Zeta]

Kim Possible anyone? The only decent thing Disney's produced since the Emperor's New Groove?

[Cuckooguy]

I thought Recess was fun. It's a cute exaggeration of the playground.

Speaking of recentish Disney movies, I really didn't care for Lilo and Stitch the first time I saw it in the movies, but I was entranced the second time when I watched it on my television screen. I think that, because of the message of the film, it feels more suited as an at-home experience than a theatrical one.

Just stay away from Treasure Planet and Home on the Range.

[Spazz]

I thought Recess was fun. It's a cute exaggeration of the playground.

That was made by ABC, wasn't it?

And I don't see what the big deal is with Kim Possible, it just annoys the piss outta' me.

[Double-S-]

Yeah, there's something wrong with you people when you start liking Disney Channel shows.

[G.Silver]

Recess was part of the Disney-owned "One Saturday Morning" (which often ran during weekdays for some reason), and I think Disney owns ABC now anyway. It might have airred on ABC to begin with, but it's still a Disney show. I like it a lot, actually, you can really tell that the people who made it, y'know, went to elementary school.

Also, any cartoon that inspired <a href="http://www.deviantart.com/view/14888910/">this</a> can't be all bad.

[Locit]

Kim Possible anyone? The only decent thing Disney's produced since the Emperor's New Groove?

What about Lilo and Stich?
The movie, I mean. Not the shitty Disney Channel show.

[Delphine]

I think Disney owns ABC now anyway.

Yup. They have for awhile now.

[Tsuyoshi-kun]

I remember in the 1950s there was a time where ABC was the one controlling Disney. They owned a small portion of the company in exchange for allowing Walt to make his television show and park. Or something like that.

Now Disney is the one who owns ABC. The irony.

[DarkPrime]

I remember in the 1950s there was a time where ABC was the one controlling Disney. They owned a small portion of the company in exchange for allowing Walt to make his television show and park. Or something like that.

Now Disney is the one who owns ABC. The irony.

You remember the 1950s, or you remember a fact about the 1950s?

Also: No one ever makes fun of Optimus Prime. Transformers > Any other cartoon EVER.

[Dash]

Just stay away from Treasure Planet and Home on the Range.

I'll agree with you on HotR, but the Treasure Planet thing just doesn't compute. Explain plz.


Most of those ABC Satuday shows were good, they just didn't strike me as archivable(Recess was the best of the lot though). Plus, I found most of the character designs for those either bland(Lyod in Space) or just plain fugly(Teacher's Pet).

And yeah, what is the deal with Kim Possible? It's OK but it useually ends up being irritating. Seems disposable to me. The character designs are fine though, and there are sometimes enjoyable portions where Ron has the spotlight. KP also looks automatically better when you look at Disney's other TV offers like Dave the fucking Barbarian. Really, anything looks better compared to that.

I really wish Disney could get it together again. Come on, give me some justification for my fond memories.

[Esrever]

You people sure do watch a lot of children's television.

[Dash]

You only need to see about 2 minutes of a show to get a good impression of it. And only 30 seconds of Dave the Barbarian before you throw your TV across the room in a blind rage.

[Zeta]

I thought the Lilo and Stitch movie was grossly overated, actually. Sure, it was a great deviation from Disney's usual boring formula, but it just didn't click for me.

[G.Silver]

The word overrated is overrated. Seems to me that all it means is you don't like something and can't figure out why anyone else does, but people go around slinging it about as if it has some kind of "absolute" meaning to it.

[Delphine]

G.Silver's post is overrated.