Wait... Capcom!?

Post by **Delphine** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:29 am

It's popular because it's <i>anime</i> from <i>Japan</i>, and we all know that ALL anime from Japan is WONDERFUL AND GREAT.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:09 pm

What the fuck is a Metalex? I hate Sonic X2. It sounds so moronic. "Sonic - but in SPAAAACE!" And they fucking brought Chris back. The game adaptations in the first series were nice. X2 is just fucking ridiculous.

It reminds me of Pokemon. I was into the anime during its first arc (based on the Red/Blue/Green/Yellow games), but then there was that Orange Islands and Johto League crap. And I don't even care about the new series anymore.

The Ruby/Sapphire series is actually about as good as the first arc. Better in some cases, because there's less filler and it had villains that were actually kinda evil once in a while. Also, all of the main character's monsters actually had developed personality traits and quirks.

Ngangbius · Post by **Ngangbius** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:54 pm

4Kids' block lags behind in the Saturday morning ratings overall.

It could be because not many local affiliates don't carry 4KidsTV as much as KidsWB or ABCKids.

Double-S- · Post by **Double-S-** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:33 pm

Yeah, the Fox Kids / 4Kids or whatever it is station around here died a year or so back.

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:42 pm

unless the whole 4Kids block disappears.

*crosses fingers*

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:53 pm

Zeta wrote:The Ruby/Sapphire series is actually about as good as the first arc. Better in some cases, because there's less filler and it had villains that were actually kinda evil once in a while. Also, all of the main character's monsters actually had developed personality traits and quirks.

The entire show has been filler outside of the first 7 episodes if you ask me. The first 7 episodes, despite their huge faults, followed the natural progression through Kanto as seen in the games and had some sense of adventure to it and even Jesse and James were villainous. It was poor but salvageable. Everything since then has been pure crap - apart from the monsters themselves and the odd few Gym Leaders here and there it's had no resemblence to the games whatsoever (with one or two exceptions, such as the SS Anne episode), nor any natural progression. It wouldn't be too bad if the show had any charm in its own right, but it lacked even that, instead we just had poorly animated cheaply moralistic drivel with the same plot recycled week in week out and no viable antagonists.

Pokemon could've made a great kids cartoon, but all of the potential was pissed down the drain. Even Tohishiro Ono's "Electric Shock Pikachu" comic series based upon the cartoon itself "got it" when it came down to the core concept. And in missing the entire fucking point the cartoon's spawned an entire genre (or at least made a huge negative impact to an existing one) of insipid "brattish kids playing battling games with powerful forces" crap.

The Pokemon cartoon is probably the worst thing to have happened to children's cartoons in the past decade.

This reminds me though, I still need to order voumes 15-19 of the delightful Pokemon Adventures comic. I hope that hasn't dropped the ball recently because the first 14 volumes were bloody good fun. I do miss Mato though, Satoshi Yamamoto doesn't even compare. :(

Ngangbius · Post by **Ngangbius** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:04 pm

CP wrote:Pokemon could've made a great kids cartoon, but all of the potential was pissed down the drain. Even Tohishiro Ono's "Electric Shock Pikachu" comic series based upon the cartoon itself "got it" when it came down to the core concept.

Pity he was forced to retire the comic since there were supposed complaints from parents or publishers on the way he drew the some of the female characters(huge boobs, scantly-clad wear).

The Pokemon cartoon is probably the worst thing to have happened to children's cartoons in the past decade.

And yet, I would say the opposite regarding Digimon Tamers.

This reminds me though, I still need to order voumes 15-19 of the delightful Pokemon Adventures comic. I hope that hasn't dropped the ball recently because the first 14 volumes were bloody good fun. I do miss Mato though, Satoshi Yamamoto doesn't even compare.

Wait, I thought Viz stopped releasing those Pokemon Adventure comics. Are the pages still flipped?

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:23 pm

But we like boobies and scanty wear. It's harly like forcing a kid to watch Overfiend movies or move in with Micheal Jackson.
Besides, didn't Sally Acorn have big boobies (for a chipmunk) and scanty wear? Parents can be so hypocritical.

Ngangbius · Post by **Ngangbius** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:47 pm

Besides, didn't Sally Acorn have big boobies (for a chipmunk) and scanty wear?

Sally hardly had any boobs in the cartoon, yet parents complained so she was given a vest. Besides the fact she isn't human, her breasts aren't hardly as big in the Sonic comic compared to the unedited versions of Kasumi and Musashi in Ono's Pokemon comic.

You can find some comparision scans of the original manga and the edits Viz made here:

http://www.zapchu.com/thunder_editsnippets.htm

http://ncnc123.50megs.com/dengenki/series.html

Note that Kasumi(Misty) is supposed to be 12.

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:57 pm

True, but I still like boobies. Maybe parents can go OTT when defending their kids.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:53 pm

Pity he was forced to retire the comic since there were supposed complaints from parents or publishers on the way he drew the some of the female characters(huge boobs, scantly-clad wear).

*smacks you* This is the stupidest rumor ever. It's sprung up on a number of messageboards, so I'll just post the replies to those here:

The whole "It's Viz/NoA fault," thing is bull.

Comics are completed months in advance. Ono was contracted to complete a certain amount of comics, he did. He never toned down his style, and if he did it had nothing to do with America. Ono finished his final draft before the series started in America.

To think that a comic that did horrible in the American market would end a mildly succesfull run in Japan just because of regional edits is the dumbest assumption a japanophile could have.

Manga is completed months in advance, and with only 3 volumes it's extremely likely that the manga was already completed before it began it's run in America. If you think Ono would stop just because they shaved some breasts down to a realistic standard then you need to get back in touch with reality.

The North American market is secondary to mangaka. Their primary concern is the Japanese market.

Seriously, that's like saying that they would stop Pokemon Special after Viz decided to stop translating it, but it's still going on. Or MPJ for the same reason, but it went on for three more books.

And that's that.

Wait, I thought Viz stopped releasing those Pokemon Adventure comics. Are the pages still flipped?

No, they're still being made and translated, just not in America and not by Viz. There's an Asian company who continues to publish english translations of the series. It's a damn good one, too, although the Ruby/Sapphire series pulled the annoying shit of taking a feminine flaming psuedo-homo and making him into a manly, stereotypical ultra-hetero by the story's end. And taking a rough and tumble angry she-warrior and turning her into a helpless waif of a young woman. Ick. >_<

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:00 pm

Note that Kasumi(Misty) is supposed to be 12.

And on growth hormones.
I really liked his art style, though.

The boobies didn't hurt.

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:06 pm

As Zeta mentioned, official English translations of Pokemon comics are available in Singapore, published by Chuang Yi. At first they used Viz's translations but since Viz stopped they've been doing their own translations. They're flipped, but the same size as the Japanese versions, with dust jackets and feature the same cover art as the Japanese versions.

http://www.chuangyi.com.sg/english/sud_ ... okemon.htm

(ignore the story and art credits given for Pokemon Adventures volumes 14-19 on that page, whoever runs the site fucked up, the writing is still by Hidenori Kusaka and the art is still by Satoshi Yamamoto and I still miss Mato)

the Ruby/Sapphire series pulled the annoying shit of taking a feminine flaming psuedo-homo and making him into a manly, stereotypical ultra-hetero by the story's end. And taking a rough and tumble angry she-warrior and turning her into a helpless waif of a young woman. Ick. >_<

=\ That sounds LAAAAAAAME. Have you seen the design of the new Emerald character for the comic? It looks bloody goddamn ridiculous. I miss Mato. Regardless, the first 14 volumes were great so I'll reserve judgement on the newer stuff until I've read it.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:41 pm

=\ That sounds LAAAAAAAME. Have you seen the design of the new Emerald character for the comic? It looks bloody goddamn ridiculous. I miss Mato. Regardless, the first 14 volumes were great so I'll reserve judgement on the newer stuff until I've read it.

Emerald is highly entertaining. He's fucking INSANE. In the first few chapters of his storyline alone, Emerald knocks out and ties up a star trainer, pulls a gun on a Pokemon, announces that he hates Pokemon, and basically runs around like a madman.

But yeah, the plot WAS lame. You had Ruby who was a flaming little male drama and beauty queen who hated to fight and loved grooming and knitting and makeup. And Sapphire, who was an insane female warrior who ran around naked and screaming and beating up anything in sight.

Then in the end, it's revealed that these two awesome characters NATURALLY only deviate from their gender roles because of a trauma they experienced when they were young. So Ruby switches back into the "correct" person of a cool, macho warrior, and Sapphire switches back into her "correct" gender role of a sweet little girl, and they run off to be heterosexual together.

The plot made me want to savagely beat the writer.

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:47 pm

Fucking Japan.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:06 pm

Exactly - if you're gay or a tomboy, it must be caused by a brutal dragon attack that happened during childhood.

Obviously!

Cuckooguy · Post by **Cuckooguy** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:07 am

Ngangbius wrote:How much did they cost and did Target have any other Sonic related merchandise?

Since I work at Target, I can say that the only other Sonicish merchandise I've seen (other than the latest videogames) are those Genesis games where you just plug in this machine Genesis controller thing into the TV, where you can choose to play 1 out of 6 games. One version had Sonic (1) on it, and another version had Sonic 2 on it, and the fact that the Sonic image is slapped on it makes me believe he is the selling point of the product (there are other games on these compilations, such as Columns, Golden Axe, and the Ooze). They cost about 25 bucks each. I'd probably but it if, like, Sonic the Hedgehog through Sonic and Knuckles were in one version, but that's probably too much quality in one product for the corporates to handle.

I've decided to check out if we had the Sonic X Matchbox cars, and I found out they cost about $6.25 each.

Speaking of Pokemon, I actually really liked it at first. It was my first introduction to a lot of exaggerated anime emotions, which is really funny at first. I hope I wasn't the only one who laughed really hard the first time (ever) that they saw people slapping eachother with magical fans that come out of nowhere, the veins, the waterfall tears, weirdo crossdressers that crossdress in 2 seconds, etc.; it was hilarious. I do feel Pokemon should've ended around the 2nd season, because I became sick of the formulaic episodes. I don't hold any major hatred for the series, though.

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:51 am

Zeta wrote:Exactly - if you're gay or a tomboy, it must be caused by a brutal dragon attack that happened during childhood.

Obviously!

The concept sounds somewhat Freudian.

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:52 am

Zeta wrote:Exactly - if you're gay or a tomboy, it must be caused by a brutal dragon attack that happened during childhood.

Obviously!

If not, the fangirls can make it happen.

Post by **Segaholic2** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:26 pm

I need to find time to make it to a Target now. Bah.

Tsuyoshi-kun · Post by **Tsuyoshi-kun** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:24 pm

Crazy Penguin wrote:The Pokemon cartoon is probably the worst thing to have happened to children's cartoons in the past decade.

I disagree. Although not a kids' show, I think the South Park influence has ruined children' cartoons. Now ever cartoon tries to be hip and edgy, pushing the boundaries of what's acceptable, while having poor animation, lousy writing, and weak acting in the process. It ruined Nickleodeon and Cartoon Network.

Besides, not including South Park, I can think of much worse shit that helped ruin children's programming; Gargoyles, Transformers (yes, even the original 1984 series), Bonkers, Smurfs, Captain Planet....

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:42 pm

Alright, you've insulted Optimus Prime, Cartman, and Gargoyles.

It's on, now, bitch.

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:49 pm

Because there were no edgy cartoons before South Park.

Dash · Post by **Dash** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:13 pm

I adore Toshiro Ono's Pokemon manga. The art is superb and the story takes the best elements of the show and runs with them. It's like what the TV series could have been. At my Pokefan height I did catch the show every week, but after reading that manga I realized it was missing a lot of potential, just as the games are nowadays.

Hearing of the edits surprises me a bit. Though the art might have been pushing it, I highly doubt it would have warped my little 11 year-old mind. One has to remember though, Vis was originally releasing these as a monthly comic. The kind you see in....you know, grocery stores. Had an average American mom looked at it, they'd have been up in arms, possibly refusing to buy another Pokemon product for thier kid again; and it would have only given those "POkEMAn Wuz M4dE BI T3h DEVIL!!!!111" religious groups more fuel for thier fires. Seeing as the craze was at it's peak, it's understandable that they wouldn't want to take that risk.

I'm guessing had the the series been released as a graphic novel to start with(and gotten released when the craze cooled off) there would have been little to no edits(Not that they mean much though. I mean, there's none so horrible that the message doesn't get across.)

Post by **Delphine** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:59 pm

Baba O'Reily wrote:Because there were no edgy cartoons before South Park.