Weird ass Sonic poll (Official Sega website)

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:17 pm

Shadow, aka Emo McCutterpants, doesn't need his own game. He needs some Used CDs.

Dark Crow · Post by **Dark Crow** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:41 pm

Zeta wrote:Intellectual?! While he thinks before he acts way more before Sonic, I don't see Shadow sitting down and reading War and Peace or anything.

Well, considering that his main purpose in life to activate the ARC has more-or-less been expanded, his moaning about his life being pointless, constant critiquing of his character, and philosophising about why he still exists has some intellectual value I guess.

Of course, all he really needs is some prozac. Or emo music.

Double-S- · Post by **Double-S-** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:14 pm

Also, he should be dead.

Dark Crow · Post by **Dark Crow** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:23 pm

There is no way Sega is going to kill off the one character that is drawing all the newbies into the series. Incidently though, it is never revealed wether the Shadow in SH was the real one from SA2 or just some robot clone, so its possible that the real Shadow may have never died.

Either way, he still needs prozac.

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:06 am

Zeta wrote:Intellectual?! While he thinks before he acts way more before Sonic, I don't see Shadow sitting down and reading War and Peace or anything.

I will draw this thing.

Post by **big_smile** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:55 am

highwaystar wrote:
Shadow: Sonic's Nemesis
What else would he be? Sonic's Lover?

One of Shadow's many problems is that he has never really been "Sonic's Nemesis", but just an undirected, clichÃƒÂ©d anti-hero.

If a solo-Shadow title means that he doesn't have to appear in the main games, then I think itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a great idea. The Sonic Battle script writers should work on the story, which should explore more of GeraldÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s research into ancient civilisations, his madness and his legacy of evil schemes to avenge Maria.

^_^

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:06 am

Sonic is not stupid nor brash. Damn you SatAM and damn the comics burn you bastards! Burn!

Anyway Sonic is guy who runs around the world searching for new adventures and stops to help people out. He really is an all around good guy. I'd just like to know who the fuck had the idea to create Shadow rather than use Metal Sonic who is a classic character. The game was for Sonic's 10th birthday. Why not use a classic character? Why?

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:23 pm

Who the fuck are you and why can't you log in?

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:42 pm

You know it could be *gasp* someone who isn't a member. You know, someone who reads the newsboard and then responds as a guest. Being that it is the guest feature and all.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:00 pm

We all know it was you. "<i>You've been found out!</i>"

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:01 pm

Not this time.

Protodude · Post by **Protodude** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:02 pm

Maybe it's The Ghost of Newsboard Past!

Guest2 · Post by **Guest2** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:14 pm

Protodude wrote:Maybe it's The Ghost of Newsboard Past!

It was someone who hates Sonic Archie comics, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s it. But who donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t hate them?

Nakasan_UKG · Post by **Nakasan_UKG** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:45 am

Chattin' about how Shadow takes away some of Sonics charms is pretty interesting. Really, Sonic was always like "On the go - No time to stop for anything - Full of Attitude" right? Well, thats how I remember him being sold originally.
But now he seems to enjoy being good too much for that to still be true. He's like, "Yeah!! Eggmans trying to kill people!! Time for adventure guys!!".... Anyone else agree? I kinda want a game where Tails is killed. So Sonics actually pissed off and wants to kill Eggman. That would rescue the series for me.

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:34 am

Nakasan_UKG wrote:Chattin' about how Shadow takes away some of Sonics charms is pretty interesting. Really, Sonic was always like "On the go - No time to stop for anything - Full of Attitude" right? Well, thats how I remember him being sold originally.
But now he seems to enjoy being good too much for that to still be true. He's like, "Yeah!! Eggmans trying to kill people!! Time for adventure guys!!".... Anyone else agree? I kinda want a game where Tails is killed. So Sonics actually pissed off and wants to kill Eggman. That would rescue the series for me.

That would be crap. It'd make the series too dark. Sonic is and always has been an all-ages series. Trying to "mature" characters and stories that way can kill many a good series - just look at the Spider-Man and X-Men comics (or indeed, most Marvel and DC heroes) for example.

Carl with a K · Post by **Carl with a K** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:37 am

I'd like to see a new Sonic game on a next-gen platform that isn't 3D, and actually lets you, ya know, PLAY AS SONIC. None of this team crap or switching characters to beat the game 100%, I want a fucking Sonic The Hedgehog game. I think we're long over due for that.

....Fury Fists?

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:44 am

Crazy Penguin wrote:That would be crap. It'd make the series too dark. Sonic is and always has been an all-ages series. Trying to "mature" characters and stories that way can kill many a good series - just look at the Spider-Man and X-Men comics (or indeed, most Marvel and DC heroes) for example.

I concur.

Interestingly, a dear and departed friend of ours once had an idea for a "mature" Sonic game. Let's see how that worked out.

Sonniku The Battousai wrote:Shadow - Think Shinobi and Nightshade mixed with Enter The Matrix, only a tad more easier and more longer levels; Rouge is partner (flying, escape assist) for most of the time, but some levels go solo. 7 levels, 2 acts each. After SH, Shadow really didn't give a damn about his identity so he went to live in the slums of Station Square. Umm...not much is gonna be revealed about what happens the time between (a solo game will do that), but he gets a new look, new powers and is now a vigilante, fighting injustice everywhere. While breaking off a drug ring, he finds some interesting info about Eggman's past...and perhaps keys to his existance. This will finally bring The Ultimate Life-Form arc full circle and Shadow will meet his predecesor...but not in the way people expect. He is the first person to fight actual human beings (you fight them as Team Sonic too): They cannot be destroyed, only stunned and they get back up after resting. Fights Super Metal Sonic in final, Fights BioChaos with 7 chaos, Fights G.U.N w/ 7 chaos and all mission complete. 7 chaos opens up Super Shadow for all levels, but only lasts if you have rings. Moves include: Slide combo, Homing Attack, Chaos Spear, Spin Drive, Double Kick, Jet Boost, Triangle Jump, Dark Dash, Chaos Control (fast forward, stop, slow), Chaos Inferno (Boss), Air Rocket (flaming), Chaos Spark (bubble), Upper Combo (Rouge), Battle Combo (Omega).

Rouge: Stealth action; has no partners. 4 levels, 1 act each. Rouge was trying to steal some riches from an underworld kingpin, but arrives to see the buliding in ruins, curtosy of Shadow. While allowed to steal the money, Shadow tells Rouge to work with him to get rid of some shady orginazations, promising her she can steal their cash. Along the way, she gets involved in the main plot and she finally confesses her love to Knuckles. Faces Knuckles in sub-final, Alpha in final. Moves include: Kick, Flying, Sneak, Hanging, Sidle, Crawl, Black Wave, Charm Ray, and Stun Blaster.

Espio: Think Ninja Gaiden only not that hard. 7 levels, 1 act each. Switches between Charmy (flying, teleport) and Vector (projectile, attack). While investegating a case for a client, Chaotix catch a glimpse of Mighty, whom they haven't seen in years. Forsaking their case, they go after their long-lost comrade. Espio is the point man beacause of his speed and fighting abilities. They will be the first to discover Alpha's true identity. Fights Mighty in sub-final, then Metal Sonic in final. Moves include: Shurikens, Ninja combos, Leaf Swirl, Invisibility, Wall and Ceiling run, Cling, Kodachis, Flame Scroll (flaming), Water Scroll (bubble), Chaotix Recital (Boss), Ninja Vanish (Charmy), Explosive Shuriken (Vector).

and so finally, the endings:

-Sonic finally learns his origin...and goes on suicide run against Eggman; Don't worry, he fakes his death and keeps wandering. Razz
-Tails learns of a ktisune colony hidden on Westside Island and wonders if his parents are alive.
-Amy starts flirting with Shadow, but to no avail Sad So after demanding an answer, all she gets from Sonic is...a kiss. Then he goes after Eggman.
-Knuckles beats the Master Emerald and finally is revealed his true purpose...and he quits his job and heads off with Rouge. Now he waits one final bout with Sonic.
-The real Shadow is dead and the new guy is a clone. But hearing this only makes Shadow more pissed, and using video footage, showed the world the truth about the incident 50 years ago. Now with his past gone, his enemies captured and his future undecided, Shadow returns to his home.
-Cream helps the Chao, but gets grounded by Gmel and her mom. Laughing
-Espio finds out that Mighty has gone insane and sends him to an asylum. The Chaotix also finds that Ray and Mighty were 2 of the subjects experimented by Eggman in the 80's, but were failed experiments and have llimited lapses of insanity once in awhile. Tragically, Ray commited suicide many years earlier. Hmm...then who was the winning experiment?
-Rouge is now very rich but decides to spend her days with Knuckles.

and as for the true ending...you gotta PM me for that.

CE · Post by CE » Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:49 pm

I voted for Shadow meets The Loonatics: The Mature Game You've Been Waiting For.

Post by **Delphine** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:06 pm

Man, that's just as funny now as it was when originally posted.

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:21 pm

Sounds like Max Payne with hedgehogs. And Max Payne was cool. And Sonic was cool. But they were cool for different reasons. Mixing two different cools from opposite ends of the spectrum doesn't work.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:31 pm

Sonniku The Battousai, our first official Douche Bag, was one of the funniest posters to ever grace the GHZ. I encourage you all to read his entire catalog of posts.

Nakasan_UKG · Post by **Nakasan_UKG** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:56 am

"That would be crap. It'd make the series too dark. Sonic is and always has been an all-ages series. Trying to "mature" characters and stories that way can kill many a good series"

..From the way you guys talk about Sonic games though, Hasn't the good series already been killed? therefore, doing something like that.. well, there would be nothing to lose.
But yeah, I accept the fact that comics, when they're dark and their characters were originally light, ruin things sometimes. But the original Venom was wicked dark and wicked cool. Until it became cliche and crap.
Just reckon a big shake ups in order. Or do people just want a new 2D sonic game with different level designs?

CM August · Post by **CM August** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:07 am

Or maybe just a 3D game that works as well as the old games did.

You don't need angst up the wazoo to make a creative, inspiring, or compelling story. To me, the last Sonic game that had that in spades was Sonic Adventure. I'm sure others will vouch for Sonic Battle as well.

Bottom line: a series shouldn't be moved in a different direction simply because the developers didn't try hard enough. Hopefully Sonic Team learned something from the crapfest that was Heroes.

Tsuyoshi-kun · Post by **Tsuyoshi-kun** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:45 am

I just want a good, 2-D, not pit/spike-infested, decent playing, decent looking Sonic game again, one not made by the untalented asswipes that make up Dimps.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:17 am

Sounds like Max Payne with hedgehogs. And Max Payne was cool. And Sonic was cool. But they were cool for different reasons. Mixing two different cools from opposite ends of the spectrum doesn't work.

Not necessarily true. Salt and vinegar crisps dipped in Nutella, for instance, is a strangely compelling experience.