I know I'm late with this...

[Malchik]

Also on Sonic CD, the flowers suddenly clicked--if Eggman sends his robots back in time to build up his fortresses on the Little Planet while he's busy being not born yet, then the robots need a power source that will last longer than a chipmunk's life expectancy. Flowering plants don't normally last very long but I figure these ones must be special. It seems obvious now, but I guess this is the thread for being late about things.

I never took any of this to heart simply because it would ruin the feeling I have always had for Sonic CD. Unlike all the rest of the games this is truly the only one where a complete environment has both industrial/technological materials living with organic mater. If fact, on good futures it feels as if the planet natural co-exists with the two elements naturally without a higher intelligence maintaining it. For example not only in a bad future is most of all the organic mater deteriorated but at the same time all the mechanical elements have broken down in some form.
This game really shows Eggman as a cancer as in he comes in and corrupts everything and not just his usual nature polluting ways.

Something kinda intrigues me here. If Eggman ever succeeded, replacing all living beings with robots, I wonder what would happen to him. Would he take his own life and replace himself with some Metal Eggman to rule the world he dreamt?

You know that is something I never really thought of until now. I never looked into Eggman's agenda like this before. The modern Eggman really seems to have one objective and that's to simply rule the world. But thinking back he did seem to have a loner appeal and had a thing for robots taking over not just using the animals as engergy but replacing them as well (Taking the appearance of animals). Come to think of it thing really only shows in Sonic CD because we can only see his true product through it. We never see what Eggman can accomplish in any other game but Sonic CD. I like this new idea that Eggman agenda is to strictly erase organic life in favor of complete mechanization. Looking at today’s Story driven Sonic games this is really a missed opportunity seeing as he comes off even more two dimensional then his sprite counterpart. Maybe Sega should give depth to the characters they already have.

[Hulkshmash]

1. People who were/are attracted to Sonic (usually children) were not attracted because of it's compelling storytelling.

Is that sarcasm? I don't think anyone would describe Sonic as having particularly compelling stories. We're obsessed anyway, though. Some of us..

It's not sarcasm, why would you think it was?

Oh, and I just realized how much of an idiot I've been about the flowers. They really are extra special awesome; only kickass flowers can grow on metal.
If I remember correctly, in the little movie thing, Sonic destroys several things and flowers pop out on what is clearly not soil.

I also remembered that I shouldn't speak about Sonic CD at all, because I've only played about 2 or 3 levels of it.

Moving on.
While we're actually acting serious, I'd like to ask a question. Not sure if this has been brought up on the GHZ yet, but...

Was Tails' story in SA1 not supposed to be canon? It seems like they totally ignored the character development he went through. Tails was my idol as a kid, because I always liked the 2nd in command type people (I really hate making decisions, I like to follow others). But he was entirely ruined when given a personality like he has in SA1 (Ignoring everything else he had a personality in, because I hoped they weren't his real personality).

Fortunately, at the end of SA1 he learned to be more independent, and not a baby. He wasn't supposed to rely on sonic to protect him anymore. I was really looking forward to playing as him in SA2, until I learned he was in a mech (I don't mind the variety, it was just kinda lame...). He had no need for the mech, at all, he could fight perfectly without it in all the other games. I promised myself he'd still be awesome because of the changes he went through in the first game. Boy, was I wrong.

I'm not suggesting that they make him a badass, just less of a... wuss? He went from being an invincible flying character who was almost equal to sonic to being someone who hides behind an iron shell.

If this has already been discussed, slap me. I deserve it.

[G.Silver]

I think the idea is that Tails has his own strengths (his brain) and being able to build and pilot machines makes him stronger than he was in the first game (although he was obviously doing that already with the Tornado), because by not following Sonic and just doing what Sonic is doing, he's able to do take on new challenges and do things that Sonic can't. It isn't about surpassing Sonic at his own game, it's about following his own path and finding out what he's good at on his own.

There are only two reasons for the evil doctor to create a robot with his sworn enemy's likeness.

There's a third reason too, and it's the same reason more and more research is being done in the area of making robots that behave and operate like simple living creatures like cockroaches, who can easily climb over all kinds of rough surfaces just by flinging their legs around. It turns out that nature's solutions to problems are really, really good! So there must be some benefit to copying Sonic's form, right down to the superficial details! And it's good science and it works, because it's a video game. :D

[Hulkshmash]

So that's why he still yells "SONNNNNNNNICCCCCCCC" when he dies?
I understand the mech being different than sonic, so he's trying to be good at what he's good at, my complaint was more about how he was still annoying as hell in the second game, and didn't act like he'd learned anything.

[Majestic Joey]

What about how tails took on eggman at the end of sonic adventure 2? I thought that did his character justice. "Sonic asked me for the first time to do something for him. I won't give up! I won't back down." (I was playing this game like last week)
Anyways whenever Tails is on his own he always steps up to the challenge despite being in a mech or not.

[Hulkshmash]

edit---
I'm an idiot today.
Anyways, he acted in SA1 at the end like a totally different person, but in SA2 he still does things for Sonic, although he depends on him less.

[DackAttac]

I'm pretty sure he does mean SA2, as in the scene where Sonic was shot out in space in a capsule with a time bomb and believed to be dead, inspiring Tails to kick Eggman's ass.

[Arcade]

Ican picture Eggman in a world full of machines, where he gets old and dreams about living forever…so he turns more and more into a machine, until his soul is lost. Maybe thats why I liked Satam, because it had that petencial, until they decided to include magic and dragons....

[Malchik]

Ican picture Eggman in a world full of machines, where he gets old and dreams about living forever…so he turns more and more into a machine, until his soul is lost. Maybe thats why I liked Satam, because it had that petencial, until they decided to include magic and dragons....

I liked Satam for this reason too but they tried to overkill Robotniks character and just made him an asshole. Eggman lives in a world were he doesn't control by fear but because he simply makes things into mindless machine. Without the day-to-day plans to destroy Sonic what else does he have to live for besides jerking off and drinking earl gray (Not always in that order of course.).

[Hulkshmash]

I'm pretty sure he does mean SA2, as in the scene where Sonic was shot out in space in a capsule with a time bomb and believed to be dead, inspiring Tails to kick Eggman's ass.

Still not nearly as awesome as his fight against Eggman in the first one, because Eggman and tails were clearly equal in SA2. However, in SA1 Tails was facing a gargantuan Eggman style boss, and was going against all odds on his own. If he thought that facing Eggman on equal terms was an accomplishment, he hadn't learned anything in the first one.

And yeah, I suddenly remembered that fight around 10 seconds after I left, was hoping no one would see me being an idiot before I got home to edit it.

[j-man]

what else does he have to live for besides jerking off and drinking earl gray (Not always in that order of course.)

Wow, that's like my entire life summed up in a sentence.