Stuck on Sonic Heroes

Light Speed · Post by **Light Speed** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:39 pm

I didn't mind Tikal because she actually gave you some useful info and wasn't terribly annoying. Omochao on the other hand is a little bastard. I spent like a half hour just blowing him up and throwing him down endless pits. Eventually he stops helping you. Good times.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:38 pm

Light Speed wrote:Eventually he stops helping you.

Wow, really? I thought he was just kidding.
Y'no, on eternal engine, on this one part where you have to unlock a door with a switch, you can pop open one of those doors that fly off and suck you in, and it keeps sucking Omochao out over and over.

Light Speed · Post by **Light Speed** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:10 pm

Well he will help you after a little while, but for the first bit he'll say something like, "You were mean to me, I'm not helping you" or something stupid. The next one you find will probably help you though. How easily crappy robot chaos forget. He must be made in America.

Post by **G.Silver** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:14 pm

I'm back.

EggPawn
SoriddoPawn (the one with a gun, I don't understand the name)
EggKnight

Kuragen / Gold Kuragen - the enemies that trap a character
EggBishop (red) / EggMage (blue)
E-2000 / E-2000R (the gold model)
EggHammer (gray) / Heavy EggHammer (Blue)

As for the move lists, some are in the captions, others aren't. The names aren't necessarily official "names" though, they sound to me just like typical Japanese terms for these sorts of attacks in most cases.

Team Blasts:
Sonic Overdrive
Flower Festival
Chaos Inferno
Chaotix Recital

Speed Formation:
Rocket Accel - Boost to speed character from other characters
Homing Attack
Tornado (seems like they called it something else in the game?)
Forward Kick (Sonic and Shadow)
Hammer (Amy)
Shuriken (Espio)
Spin (Rolling)
Triangle Jump ("Sankaku-Tobi")
Light Dash
Propeller Hammer (Amy)

Fly Formation:
"Sudden Rise" / Vertical Dash ("KyuuJouShou")
Rising Flight ("JouShou-Hikou")
ThunderShoot (throw other characters)
Individual attacks are described, not named

Power Formation:
Dive (Gliding--I believe this is refered to as "Triangle Dive" for Team Sonic in the game?)
Diagnal Attack (throw attack by Knuckles and Omega)
Body Press (Vector and Big)
Knuckles Combo: "Dash Straight," "Spin BackKnuckle," "Volcanic Dunk"
Omega Combo: Same as Knuckles except level 3, "Omega Arm"
Big Combo: Umbrella (name not given), "Fire Knock," "Big Fishing"
Vector Combo: Level 2 is "Vector Blaze," no names given for others.

Nothing of interest in the Special Stage section, just how to play. Same deal for Metal Sonic, however, for Metal Overlord, it says that the characters are in "Hyper" mode, not Super. I don't remember if the game reflects that or not, or if it is simply the Japanese term "Hyper" (which is of course borrowed from English) to describe them, which is a common enough thing (ie Fei Yen from Virtual On's "Hyper" mode when she drops to 50% health)

Metal Madness attacks:

Fire Attack (Right hand)
Spine Attack (from his back)
Claw Attack (Left Hand)
Tail Attack
Core (his weak spot)

Metal Overlord:

Spine Attack
Crystal Attack
Battleship (summons EggFleet ship)
Chaos Control

The first "Unknown" page is about scoring (level up bonus, points for time, and chained "technique points"), the second is about Super Hard mode.

J.E.Smith · Post by **J.E.Smith** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:31 pm

Also, Knuckles' aerial shot is called Fire Dunk and Omega's is called Fire Launcher.

Anon · Post by **Anon** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:34 pm

G.Silver wrote:Nothing of interest in the Special Stage section, just how to play. Same deal for Metal Sonic, however, for Metal Overlord, it says that the characters are in "Hyper" mode, not Super. I don't remember if the game reflects that or not, or if it is simply the Japanese term "Hyper" (which is of course borrowed from English) to describe them, which is a common enough thing (ie Fei Yen from Virtual On's "Hyper" mode when she drops to 50% health)

Well, that certainly would explain why so many people referred to Shadow's transformation in SA2 as "Hyper Shadow"... you know, despite the fact that continuity-wise, seven Chaos Emeralds equals super form status, and such.

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:12 pm

By Force/Marz it is now "Emotional Mode," for Fei-Yen that is.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:37 pm

Well, that certainly would explain why so many people referred to Shadow's transformation in SA2 as "Hyper Shadow"... you know, despite the fact that continuity-wise, seven Chaos Emeralds equals super form status, and such.

It would seem that damn Archie is actually responsible for this - they didn't like the idea of calling Sonic, Knuckles, and Tails's Chaos Emerald forms all "Super" - so they annoyingly decided to call them Super, Hyper, and Turbo - respectively.

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:41 pm

IGNorant certainly didn't help matters.

aso · Post by **aso** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:46 pm

Well, technically, Sonic DID have two Super forms, one with seven Chaos Emeralds, and one with the seven CEs and the seven Super Emeralds. I'm thinking 'Hyper Sonic' just came up as a fan name that caught on with Archie.

(Knuckles actually has two super forms as well, but he always looks like some sort of deranged rat when he transforms. Never mind that!)

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:55 pm

So I guess that screen in Sonic 3 & Knuckles that says "Sonic collected all the Super Emeralds. Now Sonic can turn into Hyper Sonic." was just bogus.

aso · Post by **aso** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:00 pm

Crap, I must've forgotten about that. You've got me there.

You win a prize!

CE · Post by CE » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:21 pm

G.Silver wrote:SoriddoPawn (the one with a gun, I don't understand the name)

That would be "Solid (Egg) Pawn". 'cause the other one is a liquid, you know.

Light Speed · Post by **Light Speed** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:25 pm

I got all the emeralds in Sonic 2 with Knuckles a long ass time ago and if I remember correctly they said I could now turn into Hyper Knuckles.

J.C.14 · Post by **J.C.14** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:37 am

Green Gibbon! wrote: I wanted to slap that woman with my dick. Not even in a sexual sense, I just wanted to, y'know... slap her. With my dick.

One day I hope you slap me with your dick...Please...

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:42 am

It's an offer you can't refuse, GG!.

Chaos Control · Post by **Chaos Control** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 9:20 am

Light Speed wrote:I got all the emeralds in Sonic 2 with Knuckles a long ass time ago and if I remember correctly they said I could now turn into Hyper Knuckles.

That is sooooo fake! I did that last week and it said,"Now Knuckles can become SUPER KNUCKLES"!

Post by **big_smile** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:01 am

I'm back.

How was Japan? (and thanks for the translations) ^_^

Same deal for Metal Sonic, however, for Metal Overlord, it says that the characters are in "Hyper" mode, not Super. I don't remember if the game reflects that or not, or if it is simply the Japanese term "Hyper" (which is of course borrowed from English) to describe them, which is a common enough thing (ie Fei Yen from Virtual On's "Hyper" mode when she drops to 50% health)

In the English sound track they are refered to as Ã¢â‚¬ËœSuper TransformationsÃ¢â‚¬â„¢. HmmÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ I wonder if this indicates is that Tails and Knuckles do receive more than a gold barrier and transform into a new Ã¢â‚¬ËœformÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ (After using the Chaos Emeralds their stances and poses are altered).

Although, the naming and poses are too vague to be completely confirm a new Ã¢â‚¬ËœformÃ¢â‚¬â„¢.

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One thing I noticed about the strategy guide is that the characters' ages arenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t mentioned. Maybe the ages given in the US manual are a SOA invention (apparently the ages contradict with the information given in Sonic X).

^_^

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:17 pm

big_smile wrote: One thing I noticed about the strategy guide is that the characters' ages arenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t mentioned. Maybe the ages given in the US manual are a SOA invention (apparently the ages contradict with the information given in Sonic X).

The only age that differed was Rouge's (18 in X, 17 in Heroes).

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:13 pm

There's no way in hell Rouge is only 17. I doubt she's a day younger than 22 - at the very least.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:39 pm

Rouge also sounds like she's in her 20's. I thought it was crazy when I found out Amy was only 12; I thought she was at least 14. I'm pretty sure it is but, is it normal for a 12-year-old girl to chase a 15-year-old guy? I guess it seems weird at that age, but when people get older, it seems normal for a 30-yr-old to be with a 45-yr-old.

Well shit! J.C.14 is on as I post this. GAWDAMNIT!!

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:45 pm

Of course it's not normal. But Amy ain't normal. She's batshit insane.

WhoopA · Post by **WhoopA** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:07 am

Don't be so nice to her.

Post by **G.Silver** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:15 am

That would be "Solid (Egg) Pawn". 'cause the other one is a liquid, you know.

BROTHERS!!!!

Rouge also sounds like she's in her 20's.

Rouge sounds like she could be in her 30s to me, but that's because her voice reminded me of the mother of the kids I taught English to when I was on my exchange.

How was Japan?

It was great! One of those real "get away from it all"-type vacations (nice to be able to do this on a food-service salary... ^^), like it was about three weeks but it felt like I'd been there way, way longer, but not without that "this is dragging" feeling. There are a few entries on my <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/helldr ... Journal</a> about it, but not much of interest (I mostly kept up on it for my parents) to be honest.

BlazeHedgehog · Post by **BlazeHedgehog** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:06 am

Hah. :P You just get back from Japan, and a friend of mine (Ice Dragon, I really doubt anybody here knows him) just went up there. He's been giving daily reports of the sights he's seeing in the IRC channel I visit. :P I think he's up there for two weeks.