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Didn't his beaten butt fall in Angel Island along with his Death Egg?
True, but dead characters always come back from the dead in this series (Eggman, Shadow, Metal Sonic, and by the sound of it, Knuckles). But taking Sonic 2 as an individual entity, Eggman did die with his Death Egg.
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But is it serious or is this just all one big wind up?
It's a fake-out. I can almost guarantee it, because Classy Bloke isn't an idiot. Sure, he cuts it fine with his NDA-dodging antics on this forum, but blowing the entire ending is the kind of shit you get SUED over! He wouldn't risk it.

But if the ending is true, how can Knuckles die when it's confirmed that he's in the PSP game, which is obviously set after this game because Silver's in it?

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The colony was being powered by the emeralds, so it could've been programmed to teleport Biolizard. The only real instance of CC without an emerald is during the final fight between Sonic and Shadow in SA2 (shut up, there is no Sonic Battle). Sonic has the fake yellow emerald and Eggman has the real one but Shadow still CCs. I always considered it a plot hole. It obviously doesn't require a real emerald, but it seem to me that it does require a large amount of energy. Shadow's disbelief that Sonic did it with a fake emerald was probably because that would mean that Sonic would have needed to pull additional power from elsewhere (himself we assume, but rings are also plausible). This is the fact that gives rise to questions about Sonic's relation to Shadow, but I think that notion is misguided. Shadow was just being full of himself when he said "So there's more to you than just looking like me". He's not the only being that can manipulate energy. Other characters can transform with the emeralds; CC is just a more complicated application of the same energy.

There are many possible explanations. It's still a gray area, and I'd honestly be happy if it stayed that way. Forever.

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Bugger, the GF topic was deleted. Can someone give me the basic gist?

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I've still got it saved at the moment. It's just really bad fan fiction though but I'll use spoiler text to be on the safe side:
An idiot on GameFAQs wrote:The two characters that die are Blaze and Knuckles. (Princess Elise also dies but I did not think of her as an main character) Sad but true. Blaze is the first to die, who gets killed in the Flames of Diasater (Caused by the awakening of the true Iblis Trigger soul). The four hedgehogs Sonic, Shadow, Silver and Nova are the only ones that can prevent the Sol Emeralds from awakening the true Iblis soul. Blaze, who has searched for the Sol emeralds for many years, gives herself up to the Flames of Diasater in order to destroy the Sol emeralds. The princess Elise is the "Goddess of Iblis", the reincarnation of the "Sol Angel" in the past. Elise cuts her hand to give up the blood of the Iblis to help the Flames disapear, but it does not work, so she dies.

Sonic is the Iblis Trigger soul, which Silver finds out when Sonic is at the ancient temple of future fire. When Sonic appears there his true soul can be seen, Silver then goes after Sonic to tell him he is of great evil. Refusing to believe Silver, Sonic's friends stay with him. Silver meets Eggman and Nega who offer to help Silver stop Sonic. Nega and Eggman are both only using Silver to obtain the Chaos and Sol emeralds, though. Nova uses the power of the captured Emeralds stolen from Eggman and Nega to summon Iblis after Sonic is weakened (even in super form.) Since Sonic is only weakened and not dead, Iblis is raged that he cannot "fully form" because his soul counterpart, Sonic, is still alive after all of these years. This anger causes Iblis to transform Nova into a demon-like creature that causes the Flames of Disaster to burn the city. Only the sol emeralds can stop this, so, to save the city, Blaze sacrifices herself. At the very end, after Blaze dies, Iblis manages to escape Sonic's soul, and he then threatens to kill everything. Sonic and Shadow go super, and when they do, they are warped to the future, where they find out Silver and Nova were created from the same "code" as them (not much else is known, which may mean another Sonic game is upcoming based on this plot hole.) In order for Iblis to disapear forever, it's "true soul trigger" (Sonic) has to die. Sonic is about to give himself up when Knuckles, his longtime rival, uses the power of the Chaos emeralds (that are still there) to exchange "soul code" with Sonic, and therefore making Knuckles the new Trigger, whom then kills himself to be rid of Iblis. This ending is supposed to be "very heartfelt" and sad, as this is the real end of Knuckles. Nova, after the Flames, actually manages to survive and return to normal form. Afterwards peace is restored, the credits role after a rose with Knuckle's "spirit" wrapped around it is shown.

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ROFL! That's just too funny!

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Blast, you guys saw through me too easily. Of course that whole ending is bullshit and any friends i would tell the true ending to don't give a shit for Sonic beyond "meh, i don't really care for it, but it might be fun".

I was hoping i could poke some more speculation.

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So, you anticipated RoxasXIII's attention whoring from the outset, setting him up for a fall?

I love it.

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You should tell them something like Sonic goes SSJ 2300 and shoots a spirit bomb up Eggmans ass. Then Knuckles gets revived by the dragon thing after Sonic collects all 7 Chaos Emeralds.

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Actually, i've never spoken to the guy. He just came up with that crap. I was trying to help him by making it legit. Of course, thats pretty much impossible. Hopefully i've tricked some dumb people.

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Do people know you there as the video game tester we all know and love?

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My name's been flying around a lot. It's even on wikipedia's discussion page for Sonic 360. It's quite fun when people are proving your crediblity.

It's also fun to try and push games onto people. For example, Why not try out the Total War series? It's an awesome way to pass the time while waiting for PSU or Sonic 360. And if RTSs aren't your style, perhaps Outrun 2 is more to your taste. And with Football Manager, you're spoilt for choice on games to play until the release of that number 1 game of your heart's desires.

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You probably don't want your name gaining too much popularity in case you reveal something you shouldn't have. Unless of course no one knows who One Classy Bloke really is.

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Who really would? He's just a very tasteful guy.


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Image
There's a brach there that comes out of the water with a dash pad on it. Does that mean water-running and/or going undre water. Thanks to SSX from SSMB for the pic.

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I'm not too sure about underwater, as a dash-pad usually signifies a high speed are. Most probably, Sonic has to run on the water (much like in Hydrocity) and runs onto the branch.
It might be that if you lose momentum or dont run as fast onto the water, you could use an alternate underwater route.

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Well if anything, you can see the branch extending under the water. That could be saying you under the water and run up the branch. As for water running, it has already been seen (although on walls) in the mach speed area of Kingdom Valley.

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Wow. The moment I read through that crap, it only registered as bad fanfiction. And I'm glad to hear that that's apparently the case.

Good job on being a rabble-rouser, Bloke!

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Blue Blood wrote:Image
There's a brach there that comes out of the water with a dash pad on it. Does that mean water-running and/or going undre water. Thanks to SSX from SSMB for the pic.
Its looking good, reminds me of the adventure series!

where is that pic from?

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I believe one of the previews for the game back at E3 mentioned an alternate pathway in the Kingdom Valley involved running across a pool of water. Whether they meant the big huge "walls of water", or a small lake somewhere, I dunno.

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I don't think that little water wall speed segment of the level is optional. Stages are devided into adventure and speed portions after all. That and I'd hardly describe it as a pool of water. But you probably knew this.

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Radrappy wrote:I don't think that little water wall speed segment of the level is optional.
It very well could be. The flash preview on Sega's website showcases an area identical to the first segment of Kingdom Valley. It's uncommon for stages with multiple segments to bear any similarity to previous sections (Only stage I can recall that does this is Sonic's Final Egg in SA), so it's likely that there was an alternate path that wasn't present in the E3 demo.
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While that may be, there was a definitive break between segments in the E3 demo (from adventure segment to on rails speed during the latter half). The level loaded, and the gameplay was changed fundamentally between parts. I doubt that the level, no matter how many branching paths it would have would include multiple paths on this magnitude (that is to say, two completely different speed portions for a level). It’s not in their character.

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Maybe it's like Windy Valley? That level had two parts, obviously not a tremendous difference in speed, but maybe this level has something similar- maybe the wall of water is a bridge between two parts of the level.

OK, so Nova the Hedgehog...fake it sounds. But is there still gonna be a forth hedgehog? Makes sense in a weird way...

SA - Super Sonic (1)
SA2- Super Sonic and Super Shadow (2)
SH- Super Team Sonic (3)
StH- Super Hedgehogs (4)

And how much of a continuation will this game be in terms of story? Having not played Shadow the Hedgehog (good thing?) and Sonic Rush, what were the outcomes of the storyline?

It would be nice if everything known about Shadow was just summerized...is the one in this game meant to be the robot from SH? Could Silver simply be his upgrade?

So what characters are definately in this game so far?

Woo...I like questions, don't I? Bzzt.

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yes like windy valley. Except in windy valley there weren't two seperate tornado or w/e segments were there. Also some of these questions can be answered by reading all of this topic.

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