Shadow of a Hedgehog game: Shadow packs a GUN!!1

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:31 pm

and add in bullet time (as Chaos Control of course).

Please don't give them ideas.

Post by **Esrever** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:12 pm

Popcorn wrote: I have three major problems with the concept:

1) Graphically it's very ugly. SA2 looked better than that.
2) It looks achingly similar to Heroes in terms of level design, graphics and so on-- and Heroes was laaaaame. The only apparent difference is this bizarre new gimmick.
3) The whole 'gun' thing is just at total odds with the concept of Sonic, or at least the Sonic we've come to know and mostly love. It's either a cynical (and likely misguided) attempt to cash in on the gangster-culture fad, or an innocent but bewilderingly bad creative decision.

These are basically the same three problems I have. For me, it's not the idea of having weapons that bothers me necessarily -- I think it's possible to make them work with the gameplay. It's just the particular weapons that they have chosen. They don't fit with... with ANYTHING, not the franchise, not the art style, not the age group of the target audience, nothing!

Double-S- · Post by **Double-S-** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:21 pm

As mentioned before, it doesn't fit with the character, either. Even if Shadow used a fake Egg-gun, it wouldn't fit, or even make sense. The only two characters who could acceptably use (fakish) guns in the Sonic universe would be Eggman and Metal Sonic... or just any of Eggman's robots.

And no, don't say Fang/Nack.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:48 pm

Tails?

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:51 pm

Um, y'know, Gamma?

Post by **Popcorn** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:54 pm

And what about Shooty the Gun? He's probably the most overlooked Sonic character.

One Classy Bloke · Post by **One Classy Bloke** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:17 pm

Interesting how you know what the level design is like from just 45 secs of footage, which is mainly FMV.

Post by **Popcorn** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:20 pm

One Classy Bloke wrote:Interesting how you know what the level design is like from just 45 secs of footage, which is mainly FMV.

I know it's got elevated runways, grind rails and bottomless pits. Of course there's still a chance that the game is fun to play-- I don't suspect that it'll be much worse than Heroes in terms of mechanics, to be honest-- but that isn't my point. I'm merely expressing my disinterest in what's been shown to me. So far it looks exactly the same as previous games, but with a gun, and until something else surfaces that's what I'm going to expect.

Post by **G.Silver** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:35 pm

I've got the same set of problems, but the gimmick element is the one that particularly stands out. Sonic in 3D seemed like an experiment with the Adventure games, and I figured for sure with Heroes they would have nailed the appropriate mix of SA1 and SA2 via triangulation (oh, triangle! team system!) for some kind of ideal, but when Heroes is so OFF what anyone (anyone here) wanted it's become apparent that they don't really have a clue. Instead of going back and making a new 3D Sonic concept (which is really what they need), they're trying to make it better by adding a ridiculous "me too" gimmick so (my interpretation) it can be more like Jak and Daxter or Rachet & Clank. The game may not be bad, but there's no evidence of any progress or real improvement being made.

Double-S- · Post by **Double-S-** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:03 pm

Locit wrote:Um, y'know, Gamma?

Double-S- wrote:The only two characters who could acceptably use (fakish) guns in the Sonic universe would be Eggman and Metal Sonic... or just any of Eggman's robots.

I think we've established that this whole thing is stupid. So hold off on repeated bashing unless something new comes up please.

Post by **Popcorn** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:09 pm

Double-S- wrote:
Locit wrote:Um, y'know, Gamma?

Double-S- wrote:The only two characters who could acceptably use (fakish) guns in the Sonic universe would be Eggman and Metal Sonic... or just any of Eggman's robots.

I think we've established that this whole thing is stupid. So hold off on repeated bashing unless something new comes up please.

Oh God please don't ban me!!

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:30 pm

I heard that Heavy and Bomb are hidden characters. The plot twist at the end is that Shadow is really Sonic's father, brother and uncle thanks to a bizarre accident involving a time machine and a contraceptive device. Eggman turns good, and Shadow and Knuckles have sex in a barn for 20 minutes in the ending credits.

Sorry if I spoiled anything.

Protodude · Post by **Protodude** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:36 pm

Thanks a lot! I wanted to play this awesome game and find out myself!

SuperKnux · Post by **SuperKnux** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:18 pm

G.Silver wrote:Instead of going back and making a new 3D Sonic concept (which is really what they need), they're trying to make it better by adding a ridiculous "me too" gimmick so (my interpretation) it can be more like Jak and Daxter or Rachet & Clank.

Exactly. I don't think there is anything left to say about this atrocious, dreadful, piece of garbage. G.Silver hit it right in the money.

I am not going to spend my money on this thing.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:22 pm

G.Silver wrote:going back and making a new 3D Sonic concept (which is really what they need),

Isn't that what they've tried with the last few Sonic games? *cou-<I>Sonic Heroes</I>-gh*
I think their imagination is broken or something.

Post by **Delphine** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:33 pm

j-man wrote:Shadow and Knuckles have sex in a barn for 20 minutes in the ending credits.

Oh lordy, this game really <i>is</i> for the crazy fangirls.

SegaSonic · Post by **SegaSonic** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:52 pm

Does somebody know the exact reason why Naoto Oshima left SEGA?

minimum wage or something else?

Frieza2000 · Post by **Frieza2000** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:04 pm

SuperKnux wrote:
Exactly. I don't think there is anything left to say about this atrocious, dreadful, piece of garbage. G.Silver hit it right in the money.

I am not going to spend my money on this thing.

At least it's on PS2. That means we can steal it. Though you would have to spend a dollar or so for the blank CD, and I can understand having some kind of principal objection to that.

Final_Cosmos_the_Ultra · Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:27 pm

What to say now....

Post by **Delphine** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:33 pm

Thank you for your well thought out contribution to this discussion.

Post by **G.Silver** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:50 pm

Isn't that what they've tried with the last few Sonic games? *cou-Sonic Heroes-gh*

Sonic Heroes isn't a "new concept." It's a broken version of SA2 with a stupid control gimmick.

Post by **Green Gibbon!** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:18 am

If nothing else, this announcement has spawned the most rapidly expanding discussion I think in GHZ forum history.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:22 am

If we learned anything tonight, it's that friendships are not borne out of mutual interests as much as they are mutual hates.

CM August · Post by **CM August** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:27 am

Green Gibbon! wrote:If nothing else, this announcement has spawned the most rapidly expanding discussion I think in GHZ forum history.

Zeta wrote:If we learned anything tonight, it's that friendships are not borne out of mutual interests as much as they are mutual hates.

I am not sure if I should be happy or sad about this.

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:08 am

Looks like we can't say much more without goin back on ourselves again.
Like it or not the game looks like it's goin ahead.

Zeta wrote:If we learned anything tonight, it's that friendships are not borne out of mutual interests as much as they are mutual hates.

What can I say, great mind's think alike.

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