So, anyway, videogames

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:00 pm

Don't say the word "Sigma".

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:52 pm

The three versions of each character also gives them more breathing room. As you know, Kingdom Hearts has it's own take on Squaresoft and Disney characters. Establishing that there are three version of each character in different worlds has the potential to allow them to include multiple, divergent versions of a character without having to explain why the original Disney/Squaresoft cannon doesn't match up with Kingdom Hearts.

For instance, we know that Mickey is some regular mouse living in Disney's Mousetown or Toontown and having wacky adventures. In Kingdom Hearts, he's a warrior king. This can be resolved by saying that the Mickey from Disney Castle is the Light Mickey, and the Mickey from Mousetown is the Inbetween Mickey.

Similarly, this can be used to their advantage with Squaresoft characters. Cloud has already been featured as a man who sold his soul to a fallen angel, but they could include FF7's Midgar as a seperate world if they simply stated that the one winged angel Cloud is the Dark Cloud from Hollow Bastion - and the Midgar mecenary Cloud is the Inbetween Cloud.

They could use the same reasoning to include Donald the sailing duck as opposed to the wizard. Or Tidus the Blitzball champion and warrior from Zanarkand, as well as Tidus the little kid from the Destiny Islands.

The more and more I think about it, the more and more clever this "Three versions of each character" concept is. It lets them play with cannon characters from two different companies, totally alter them to suit their needs AND include the original versions of the characters as well - if the mood ever struck them.

Post by **Segaholic2** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:24 pm

What the heck?

I just started Kingdom Hearts a few days ago, and now I don't know if I want to play it.

Post by **Delphine** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:27 pm

You want to play it. It is shiny Disney/Square crack. YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT.

Post by **Squirrelknight** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:37 pm

Zeta wrote:
In-between? Oh, come on, call it neutral
Or bi.

And apparently, I was wrong. Inbetween is the correct term for them.

However, when a "Light" character becomes a heartless - their Inbetween version becomes a "Nobody". Souless zombie bastard with no emotion or past or future. Pretty cool.

I wonder what happens if crap happens to their Dark Side? What if their Dark Side becomes - well, what would be the opposite of a Heartless? Endless? Heartfull? Carebear?

Some of the members of the Organization sometimes refer to themselves as "nobodies", so I'm not sure what that term refers to anymore.

Oh, and speaking of Sigma-- I rented Mega Man X8... It's a substantial improvement over X7, but then again, that's not saying much. The level design and controls are much tighter this time around, though the whole character swapping thing strikes me as a bit pointless. Zero has been made pretty useless in this one-- His saber can no longer reflect attacks, and since Axl can shoot in 8 directions, he's just as good for taking out close range enemies (i.e. short bastards that X can't hit without going to a lower platform or using a charged shot). Voices have improved substantially-- They all sound decent, and the biggest improvement is definetly Axl-- It sounds as though he's finally finished with puberty.

I haven't gotten far enough to know if Sigma is the final boss, and Capcom said he wasn't in it, but there's been a few hints about him here and there, so I'm pretty confident that Sigma is back. Guess some things never change.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:57 pm

I just started Kingdom Hearts a few days ago, and now I don't know if I want to play it

The story doesn't get complicated till the second one. The first one is pretty much basic Light vs Dark crap. But it's well-written AND acted Light vs Dark crap.

Kishi · Post by **Kishi** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:09 am

"Uh, when we said, 'Rest assured, Sigma isn't coming back,' we meant after <i>this</i> one. Seriously, this is our last Sigma resurrection. I just need one more, man. Just one more."

Timestones · Post by **Timestones** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:15 am

Squirrelknight wrote: Oh, and speaking of Sigma-- I rented Mega Man X8... It's a substantial improvement over X7, but then again, that's not saying much. The level design and controls are much tighter this time around, though the whole character swapping thing strikes me as a bit pointless. Zero has been made pretty useless in this one-- His saber can no longer reflect attacks, and since Axl can shoot in 8 directions, he's just as good for taking out close range enemies (i.e. short bastards that X can't hit without going to a lower platform or using a charged shot). Voices have improved substantially-- They all sound decent, and the biggest improvement is definetly Axl-- It sounds as though he's finally finished with puberty.

I haven't gotten far enough to know if Sigma is the final boss, and Capcom said he wasn't in it, but there's been a few hints about him here and there, so I'm pretty confident that Sigma is back. Guess some things never change.

Zero's actually not that bad. One of the bosses gives you the ability to reflect shots, and he can obtain different weapons that can alter his combat capabilities quite a bit. (The D Glave is probably his best one, as it greatly extends his range.) His double jump is almost necessary in some cases as well.

As for Sigma, well, I can tell you right now he is in the game. (Though I never remember hearing anywhere that Capcom said he WOULDN'T be in it, just that this is supposedly the last time we'll be seeing him.) However. . .

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:24 am

"Uh, when we said, 'Rest assured, Sigma isn't coming back,' we meant after this one. Seriously, this is our last Sigma resurrection. I just need one more, man. Just one more."

To be fair, he's long dead at the time of Command Mission. It's just that the regular X series hasn't caught up to it.

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:29 am

And how long will this take?

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:45 am

Megaman X 8: 21XX
Megaman X Command Mission: 22XX

Only a century to go . . . yay.

Kishi · Post by **Kishi** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:12 am

That's only a deception to avoid suspicion while he perfects a century-in-the-making plot to destroy everything forever. Neo Kaiser Reaper Virus Zombie Sigma--HASSHIN

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:18 am

I never understood Sigma in the first place. It's ZERO's virus. So how can Sigma control it and become a part of it? Stupid Capcom and their non-sensical plots.

Kishi · Post by **Kishi** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:08 am

After Sigma beat the crap out of Zero and Dr. Cain took him in, he was kept under close surveillance and coerced into the good God-fearing Maverick Hunter way of thinking. Meanwhile, Sigma went unchecked because, hey, if you can't trust the leader of the Maverick Hunters, who can you trust? Oops.

I imagine Sigma is so good about having the virus because (a) he was a supremely powerful Reploid to begin with, and (b) he's certainly had plenty of time to get used to it.

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:50 am

Fuck Sigma, I want a new villain!

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:39 pm

They're actually bringing back Dr. Wily in the Megaman Zero series. As "Dr. Wile".

Yeah, you can tell he's a genius. That's a clevar alias.

But hell, you have to give props to the old bastard for surviving through the centures.

Post by **Squirrelknight** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:17 pm

They hinted throughout the X games that Wily was still around, and that he was the creator of Zero and the Maverick virus. Which, in a weird-sort of way, also makes him thevillain of the X series, in addition to the original Mega Man series.

That has to be some kind of record.

Timestones · Post by **Timestones** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:21 pm

Baba O'Reily wrote:Fuck Sigma, I want a new villain!

<SPOILER>The villain/final boss of X8 isn't Sigma. It's the white reploid who stole Tron Bonne's hairstyle, Lumine.</SPOILER>

Also, Dr. Weil's name is Dr. Bile in the Japanese version, so it's a little more clever there. Who he is exactly remains to be seen. I personally don't think he IS Dr. Wily, but he definately has some connections with him somewhere.

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:30 pm

He is. You know he is.

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:05 am

SCORE!

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:04 pm

He named himself after stomach acid? What a loser.

Kishi · Post by **Kishi** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:27 pm

Like the L/R thing and the TH/S thing, Japanese also has a W/V/B thing. The official name is Dr. Weil.

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:26 pm

In Aria of Sorrow you can fight with "Ronginus' Spear".

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:35 pm

Shouln't that be "Rongius' Rance"?

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:40 pm

Har. It was slow as crap, and was a holy weapon, even though it was the lance that crucified Jesus. Nifty.
Never mind the Claimh Solis. What the hell was up with that name?