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I bring the Pain!

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:14 pm
by chriscaffee
A friend showed me an article of interest at newscientist. Evidently the military is working on a ray-gun of sorts that induces pain but does little physical harm. The idea is to make the weapon capable of inflicting a person's maximum pain tolerance for crowd control.

The article seems to be inaccessible, as does the newscientist website in general, so here is what Google's cache had to say:
Weapons that can incapacitate crowds of people by sweeping a lightning-like beam of electricity across them are being readied for sale to military and police forces in the US and Europe.

At present, commercial stun guns target one person at a time, and work only at close quarters. The new breed of non-lethal weapons can be used on many people at once and operate over far greater distances.

But human rights groups are appalled by the fact that no independent safety tests have been carried out, and by their potential for indiscriminate use.

The weapons are designed to address the perceived shortcomings of the Taser, the electric-shock gun already used by 4000 police departments in the US and undergoing trials with some police forces in the UK.

It hits the victim with two darts that trail current-carrying wires, which limit its range to a maximum of seven metres (see graphic). As a single shot, short-range weapon, the Taser is of little use in crowd control. And Tasers have no effect on vehicles.

Ionised gas
These limitations are beginning to be overcome. Engineers working for the US Department of Defense's research division, DARPA, and defence companies in Europe have been working out how to create an electrically conductive path between a gun and a target without using wires.

A weapon under development by Rheinmetall, based in Dorf, Germany, creates a conducting channel by using a small explosive charge to squirt a stream of tiny conductive fibres through the air at the victim (New Scientist print edition, 24 May 2003).

Meanwhile, Xtreme Alternative Defense Systems (XADS), based in Anderson, Indiana, will be one of the first companies to market another type of wireless weapon. Instead of using fibres, the $9000 Close Quarters Shock Rifle projects an ionised gas, or plasma, towards the target, producing a conducting channel. It will also interfere with electronic ignition systems and stop vehicles.

"We will be able to fire a stream of electricity like water out of a hose at one or many targets in a single sweep," claims XADS president Peter Bitar.

Solid-state lasers
The gun has been designed for the US Marine Corps to use for crowd control and security purposes and is due out in 2005. It is based on early, unwieldy technology and has a range of only three metres, but an operator can debilitate multiple targets by sweeping it across them for "as long as there is an input power source," says Bitar.

XADS is also planning a more advanced weapon which it hopes will have a range of 100 metres or more. Instead of firing ionised gas, it will probably use a powerful laser to ionise the air itself. The idea has been around for decades, says LaVerne Schlie, a laser expert at the US Air Force Research Lab in Kirtland, New Mexico. It has only become practical with advances in high-power solid-state lasers.

"Before, it took a laser about the size of two trucks," says Schlie. "Now we can do it with something that fits on a tabletop."

The laser pulse must be very intense, but can be brief. So the makers of the weapons plan to use a UV laser to fire a 5-joule pulse lasting just 0.4 picoseconds - equating to a momentary power of more than 10 million megawatts.

This intense pulse - which is said not to harm the eyes - ionises the air, producing long, thread-like filaments of glowing plasma that can be sustained by repeating the pulse every few milliseconds. This plasma channel is then used to deliver a shock to the victims similar to a Taser's 50,000-volt, 26-watt shock.

Instrument of torture
HSV Technologies of San Diego, California is also working on stun and vehicle-stopping shock weapons with ranges of over 100 metres. And another company, Ionatron of Tuscon, Arizona, is due to supply a prototype wireless vehicle-mounted weapon to the US Department of Defense by the end of 2004.

But the advent of wireless stun weapons has horrified human rights groups. Robin Coupland of the Red Cross says they risk becoming a new instrument of torture. And Brian Wood of Amnesty International says the long-range stun guns could "inflict pain and other suffering on innocent bystanders".

And there are safety concerns. Of the 30,000 times US police officers have fired Tasers, in 40 instances people stunned by them later died. The deaths have been attributed to factors such as overdoses of drugs and alcohol, or fighting with officers, rather than the electric shock.

In a statement, Taser International chief Rick Smith said: "In every single case the medical examiner has attributed the direct cause of death to causes other than the Taser." Amnesty is not convinced, however, and wants an independent study of the effects of all existing and emerging electric-shock weapons.

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:21 pm
by Delphine
Doubleplusungood.

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:39 pm
by G.Silver
Certainly beats breaking bones with rubber balls... ...my, that came out dirtier than I intended.

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:49 pm
by Zeta
Looking at it from the other side: You know, crime doesn't seem so bad if you don't have to kill people to do it.

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:10 pm
by Delphine
That is a very good point, Zeta.

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:28 pm
by Lizard
Oh great! A new sextoy for the s/m crowd.

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:30 pm
by chriscaffee
After my short time here, I'm beginning to think Freud was right.

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:31 pm
by Esrever
Man, you know what Freud reminds me about? Penises.

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:56 pm
by plasticwingsband
I have a Sigmund Freud action figure. I got it from my Psych teacher.

EDIT: Found a picture of it.

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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:58 pm
by Delphine
So, how much action you figure he gets?

Har har.

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:53 pm
by aso
plasticwingsband wrote:I have a Sigmund Freud action figure. I got it from my Psych teacher.

EDIT: Found a picture of it.

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Ooh, I own that, too. That thing is sexy.

Freud would think we're all suffering from digital fixation. You know... digits. Fingers. Typing a lot, since we're on a forum. Ha ha ha.

Adler would think that we're all striving for superiority by trying to push ourselves up as posters, getting away from the 'inferiority' of being... a lesser poster. Or something. Being a 'socially useful' poster. Though I don't know how anyone is socially useful by posting on a 'Net forum.

Erikson would... I dunno, laugh at all of us and fling his stages of development charts at us.

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:17 pm
by plasticwingsband
aso wrote: Erikson would... I dunno, laugh at all of us and fling his stages of development charts at us.
"Identity vs. Role Confusion" Digivolve into... "Intimacy vs. Isolation"!

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:27 pm
by aso
plasticwingsband wrote:
aso wrote: Erikson would... I dunno, laugh at all of us and fling his stages of development charts at us.
"Identity vs. Role Confusion" Digivolve into... "Intimacy vs. Isolation"!
The Internet, ladies and jerks!

I also wonder how many of the folks here will falter to the latter side on "Integrity vs Despair".

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:41 pm
by plasticwingsband
Do you really have to ask?

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:38 am
by Double-S-
Philosophy is utterly retardical.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:51 am
by plasticwingsband
Double-S- wrote:Philosophy is utterly retardical.
That might be a good point if we weren't talking about Psychology.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:04 am
by Grant
Ouch.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:14 am
by Baba O'Reily
aso wrote:
plasticwingsband wrote:
aso wrote: Erikson would... I dunno, laugh at all of us and fling his stages of development charts at us.
"Identity vs. Role Confusion" Digivolve into... "Intimacy vs. Isolation"!
The Internet, ladies and jerks!

I also wonder how many of the folks here will falter to the latter side on "Integrity vs Despair".
The winners will move on into a grudge match: Integrity vs. Isolation vs. Identity.
Winner gets the heavyhanded title of the world.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:27 am
by Double-S-
Philosophy and psychology are the same thing.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:54 am
by aso
Double-S- wrote:Philosophy and psychology are the same thing.
Except for the niggling little fact that they aren't. I don't see any philosophers going out and performing experimentation and cold hard analysis in the name of philosophical progress.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:40 pm
by Knuckles Dawson
plasticwingsband wrote:
Double-S- wrote:Philosophy is utterly retardical.
That might be a good point if we weren't talking about Psychology.
That had me rolling for a while. PWB - 1 D-S- - 0

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:37 pm
by Delphine
Double-S- wrote:Philosophy and psychology are the same thing.
Explain.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:39 pm
by Double-S-
They both accomplish absolutely nothing.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:43 pm
by aso
Double-S- wrote:They both accomplish absolutely nothing.
They make people think. Years of writing, development, and research have led to the accomplishment of people occasionally sitting down and thinking about it.

There you have it.

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:33 pm
by Double-S-
They make people think about thinking. My point exactly.

What I mean to say is, when was the last time philosophy or psychology helped people in a substantial way. I can think of cars, buildings, and computers as engineering feats which helped society. Name a philosophical or psychologcal theory which did anything like that.