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*Spoiler warning for Nausicaa*

Well, I finally got the last volume of Nausicaa today (after about two years of watiting from getting the first two volumes of the old, left to right version), and read the whole thing straight through right to left, front to back. It was a really great conclusion, which seems slightly less bleak the more I read it. I do have a question concerning the last couple of pages. Nausicaa notices that the crypt and ohmu spill the same blue blood. Selm then says that it's a secret between the two of them. What exactly is the significance of this little conversation?

They don't want anyone to know that the ohmu are actually inbred royalty?

Not to revive a dead topic, but I just finished reading this myself and Selm's comment also has me a bit perplexed.

Though, actually, fuck that self-righteous blond pretty boy. I hate him, and his whole Forest Faggot race, or whatever they call themselves. Stupid enigmatic spiritual guide.

Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction to that... not that it discredits the ending (or series) as a whole. I really want to read it again, but not until I get the new editions. I ordered what was supposed to be a boxset of all seven off of Amazon which was supposed to ship two months ago, but it was never listed in any previews magazines or press releases, so it appears that it doesn't actually exist.

I tried to resist, but the preorder discount was just too tempting.

I tried to order them thinking that they were put together like the old ones- in four volumes - and ended up buying two books over again. The art was so great I couldn't complain, though.

It's good stuff. You can tell it was such an extended project because by the time I approached the end, it was like I was reading a completely different story than the one I started. I especially loved Nausicaa's change of attitude when it became abundantly apparent to her that her little quest was hopeless. So then she's like: "Yeah, okay, so we're the villains. Fuck you, anyway!"

I also really like how it turned out that all the "evil" rulers were kind of noble in their own weird ways, or at least largely justified for doing some of the things they were doing. There are some similar themes between this and Suikoden.

Also, Nausicaa was fucking hot when she was running around with the shredded tank top thing.

I really liked the Dorok Emporer, despite his bastardy qualities. He was a total jerk and the best comic relief by a decapitated head ever.

And his younger brother frollicking buck naked through the fields... I wonder where Miyazaki was in his political transition when he threw that in. (Actually, they were BOTH supposed to be the emperor. The "emperor's younger brother" was supposed to translate into "the young brother emperor" but... well, whatever.)

One of the major problems with the Nausicaa movie is that it was made when Miyazaki was only two years into the comic. It's really one-sided.

I still think Asbel would want to kill Kushana. He sure fell by the wayside. I figured he'd end up as a romantic interest for Nausicaa but instead he gets darn near written out and this blond Forest Faggot jackass shows up.

I fucking hate those forest people. I don't think they served any roles that the Wormhandlers couldn't have.

Also, Ketcha's rather hot.

Hey, isn't Disney supposed to be releasing the rest of those Miyazaki movies soon?

TRIPLE POSTER.

Also, Disney's sucked since the '90s. I say they're dead after Cars. Pixar rules. </Pixar fanboy>

Also, Kushana is hot.

And that blond chick from the Forest Faggots is hot.

And there are probably some more hot chicks that I can't think of right now.

TRIPLE POSTER.

Also, Disney's sucked since the '90s. I say they're dead after Cars. Pixar rules.

From my Journal:
I've just seen a commercial for Disney's "Twice Upon A Christmas" and sighed inwardly.

For those who don't know, it's a big Mickey Mouse Christmas movie.

Done entirely in CGI.

I like CGI, for the most part. Well, what I mean to say, is that I don't prefer traditional cell animation as opposed to CGI or vice versa.

However, recent happenings in the Disney camp have troubled me.

I'm sure everyone has noticed the trend. Pixar makes ridiculously high quality animated movies that make oodles of cash. Correct?

Well, Disney's movies have been flopping lately (Brother Bear).


So naturally, Disney's solution to this is totally stop doing cell-animation and do everything in CGI.

This sort of ass-backwards decision making is what's been running the company into the ground the past few years, and is problably one of the reasons Eisner's been ousted.

One of the things that annoys me the most is when people think that a reaction has to have a single action to cause it. What annoys me more is when they pick out the wrong "action" and give it all the credit.

I'm sure this is beyond the scope of Disney's marketing team, but just . . . maaaaybe the reason that Pixar's films are doing so well cannot be soley attributed to the fact that they're in 3D? Maybe there's the fact that they're a fresh young company in comparison to Disney? Maybe it's the fact that they have much better and defined leadership than Disney (Steve Jobs for President!).

Heck, maybe it's the fact that they know how to present ideas in new ways?

Or the fact that they don't churn out the same sort of lifeless, souless, animated tripe that Disney has nearly consistantly produced since post-Lion King?

You can really see that there's been more effort and creativity put into Pixar's films in than many of Disney's since the early '90s. The people who work on these films obviously like what they do, and are proud of it.

But watching one of Disney's later animated film - like "Hunchback" or Jabootu help us - "Home on the Range", one can easily tell it was made by a creative staff who sat down and went "OK, what sort of talking animal flick are we going to crank out this year?"

There's also the notable thing that Disney's films have become less animed at the family, and more aimed at children. There's a noticiable difference.

A family film is something that manages to entertain someone from any age group by trying to appeal in many different ways. It works on multiple levels. A children's film is something that you set a 5-year old in front of in the vain hope that it will keep them calm for more than 30 minutes.

I've always been a fan of animated films and animation in general - well past my childhood.

So it's depressing to see Disney abandon cell animation in the naive hope that it was the only thing holding them back.

And while I do enjoy all forms of animation, I sternly object to a classic character like Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck having their futures animated entirely in 3-D (to be honest though, Mickey's always gotten on my nerves. But Donald is like the best cartoon character ever made). They're just not MEANT for that sort of venue. It's almost unnatural to watch.

It's like seeing a Godzilla film without a guy in a rubber suit (US Godzilla - I'm looking in your direction) it's almost unnatural and kind of perverse.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on the whole thing.


Though I am a little upset my boyfriend saw the Incredibles without me.

I NEED to see that movie.

Curses. I misread the title of this thread, and thought you were talking about dead robot Chao. Ah well. I can dream. Carry on.

Omachao has no blood. I should know.

The Incredibles is awesome.

Segaholic2 wrote:The Incredibles is awesome.

I concur. Jason Lee made a great villain.

Jason Lee is the bomb diggity, as the kids say.

Just another reason I gotta go see The Incredibles.

The incredibles in my opinion is the best pixar film to date. The animated short before it was also quite ingenious, despite what many of my friends think. My girlfriend got mad that i didnt laugh during the actual movie so much, but you dont have to laugh your ass of to think somethings funny right?? Anyway ya, Pixar's finest. Im going to try to see it 3 or 4 times before it leaves theaters.

Better than Toy Story 2?

Eh. The Incredibles was great, but it was obviously a very different kind of movie.

I wouldn't call it a "children's movie", for one thing. The Incredibles is definitely aimed more towards adults, with stuff thrown in for kids, rather than the other way around.

If you like super heroes and comic books, you're going to love The Incredibles. The story is good, the characters are great, and the action is amazing. It takes a really good movie to make me leave the theater grinning, and The Incredibles did just that.

In comparison to Pixar's other films... Uh. It's not really as "laugh out loud" funny as their other movies. The humor is more subtle and takes a back seat to the action.

I don't know if I would call it their best film to date, but then again, I love all of Pixar's movies so far. The day that they put out a bad movie will be a very sad day for me. While I will definitely say that The Incredibles is one of the top five, maybe three super hero movies I've ever seen (it's better than Spider-Man 2 *gasp*), I don't know how I'd rank it with the other Pixar projects. I liked Finding Nemo a lot (and not only because it let me see my dad cry), and Toy Story 2 is downright hilarious. So I guess I'd say that those three are my top three Pixar films. In no particular order.

I turned down an opportunity to see The Incredibles with a friend because I figured my family wanted to see it.
Son of a bitch.