So, it's November 9th...

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:32 pm

Panzer Dragoon Orta, Ninja Gaiden, Jet Set Radio Future, Crazy Taxi 3, Knights of the Old Republic (and I don't even like Star Wars much), Fable, and the joy of having the best version of any multiformat release (Burnout 3, Prince of Persia etc).

I'll give you Dragoon, JSRF, and possibly Ninja Gaiden.

However, I've played KoOR on my stepbrother's Xbox, and didn't really like it at all.

As for Crazy Taxi 3 - after a while, all of the Crazy Taxi games begin to run together.

There are great games on all three of the major systems out right now, but if you don't own any particular one of those, you're less likely to look for what might be worth your money on those that you don't have sitting on your shelf. So it's customary to say: "There's nothing I want to play on it," which is just a self-reassuring way of saying, "I either can't afford it or feel some ridiculous moral need to remain fanboy pure from this evil company, so I don't feel like looking for things I might want to play on it."

Bah. I don't have the financial capabilities or free time to support three different consoles.

I picked the PS2 and GameCube, because after comparing the three systems, the PS2 and GC had many more games that I enjoyed or tended to be interested in compared to the X-box. I got PS2 because I wanted Ico and FFX. I got the GC because I wanted Mario Sunshine and Pikmin.

Nothing has really struck me as a neccessary experience on the Xbox. As far as my personal tastes are concerned. I'm not saying it doesn't have anything to offer me, but it does have less to offer my personal tastes in comparison to the two other consoles.

Point being, if you don't own a goddamn console, you have no right to judge any of its software library, let alone all of it.

Look, that's a moronic view to take no matter how you look at it. It's not like I've never played an X-box. My stepbrother and all of his friends have them. I've played a lot of X-box games, I've been to a Halo party. The console just doesn't interest me.

And the whole argument "You don't know you like it if you haven't tried it" is flawed. If you haven't shoved pencils up your nose - what's stopping you? You don't know you won't like it until you've tried it.

But you can draw conclusions based on what you already know. And based on what I already know about myself, I - in general, find more titles I like amongst PS2 and GC's software library than the X-box.

Are you suggesting that everyone buy every game console at random just to see if they like it? Do you whore yourself out or something GG? I'm wondering wehre you're getting this vast amount of money. I'm sure you have an N-Gage, too, don't you? Why would you not buy it? You'd be unable to judge it unless you owned it.

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:33 pm

Panzer Dragoon Orta, Ninja Gaiden, Jet Set Radio Future, Crazy Taxi 3, Knights of the Old Republic (and I don't even like Star Wars much), Fable, and the joy of having the best version of any multiformat release (Burnout 3, Prince of Persia etc).

You forgot MechAssault/MechAssault 2.

Do you whore yourself out or something GG? I'm wondering wehre you're getting this vast amount of money.

Because spending 400-800 dollars on consoles is a lot of money.

SuperKnux · Post by **SuperKnux** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:49 pm

chriscaffee wrote:You forgot MechAssault

Uh, I think he left that game out for a really good reason. Trust me on that.

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:52 pm

Since we disagree on the quality of Halo, why would I side with your opinion in regards to MA? MechAssault kicks ass. I'd be playing it right now if my disc wasn't scratched to hell. Actually that got my noodle going. I don't ever remember my disc getting this scratched. I'm certain that I must have "swapped" games with one of my friends during a LAN party or something because this is ridiculous. I take better care of my shit.

Trog13 · Post by **Trog13** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:52 pm

I was going to pick up my copy tonight but the EB I preordered from decided to do something where only the people who totally paid off the price of the game could get it at midnight. It would have been nice if they told us that before today. I'm still going up there to pick up my brother's copy. I asked the guys at EB if I could pick up mine when I get his, they told me no. My EB sucks. One of my friends can't get his because he didn't pay off the tax on the game yet, so I'd be mad if I wasn't too busy laughing at him.

SuperKnux · Post by **SuperKnux** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:56 pm

I didn't like MA very much. The game came with my XBoX Live kit, and.. I played it for a good week online, and.. it just wasn't that great. The more I played, the more I disliked it.

But if you like it, that's cool. I tried getting some of my friends to play Live the first week I got on MA, but they all equally hated the game.

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:04 pm

It's not the best game, but it ranks up there. Brute Force is another great one. No Live, but four player linked coop and Squad Death match make for great fun. We would always bust out the Brute Force whenever Halo got stale.

Post by **Green Gibbon!** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:44 pm

And the whole argument "You don't know you like it if you haven't tried it" is flawed. If you haven't shoved pencils up your nose - what's stopping you? You don't know you won't like it until you've tried it.

Using outrageous analogies is an even more flawed argument.

What I'm saying is that you don't know what or how much of a console's software library you like unless you give yourself the opportunity to try those games. And once you do own a console, you'll find yourself trying games you wouldn't have considered otherwise. The idea of a "killer app" is extremely ambiguous... in fact, I wouldn't say that there's any single game, or even a small group of games, on any console that I'd consider that console worth buying just to play. But once you decide to drop the $200 on the thing, there's alot you'll find yourself playing and enjoying. Maximo, for instance, just out of the blue. It's a great game, but if I didn't own a PS2, it's not something I'd be drooling over.

As for the N-Gage (and other handheld consoles), my qualm is with the format of the hardware itself, not the actual software associated with it. Though in the case of the N-Gage especially, there is not a single damn game on the system that isn't a watered-down port of a game that was designed for completely different (more powerful) hardware. Though, truth be told, I'd love to own one anyway just for posterity's sake.

Not sure what my finances have to do with this. Consoles are only "mass released" once every 4 or 5 years, and the prices drop substantially thereafter. Even if you can't splurge the $700 to buy two new consoles at once when they're released, everyone can spare $200 over the course of a year or two. Maybe you choose to spend your excess income on other things, but I'm not (or ever have been) raking in cash.

The concept of "whoring" oneself out is a delightfully ridiculous fanboy term. Are you not, essentially, "whoring" yourself out everytime you spend money to buy merchandise produced by a corporation?

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:48 pm

The concept of "whoring" oneself out is a delightfully ridiculous fanboy term. Are you not, essentially, "whoring" yourself out everytime you spend money to buy merchandise produced by a corporation?

I was using it in the literal sense. As in you making money by performing sexual acts for other people. I wasn't using it in the satirical "consumer whore" or "selling out" way.

Post by **Green Gibbon!** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:07 pm

Ngangbius · Post by **Ngangbius** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:31 pm

Esrever wrote:
I think the ONLY original games that I have bought (or will buy) this year are Katamari and Alien Hominid. But Katamari isn't a holiday release, and Hominid's gameplay is such a throwback that it hardly seems fair to consider it a wholy original game anyhow. Where are the Viewtiful Joes and BG&Es of X-mas 2004?

Well there is this little $20 game called Technic Beat that I heard good things about...

As for Halo 2...*shrugs* I was never into FPS so this hype is lost on me.

Post by **Squirrelknight** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:00 am

I'm not much for FPS's, but I did enjoy the hell out of Halo. I'm not one of those Halo fanboys who played through the game on Legendary though-- I played through normal and was done with it, but it's pretty much a staple of every LAN around here.

That said, I'll still be getting Halo 2, since I hear from my friends around here that its better than Jesus swimming in marmalade, so I'll pick it up this weekend. No way I'm waiting in line until Midnight with the Xbox fanboys tonight though.

As for all the sequels this season... I don't really mind, as long as they're good. The lack of original titles is depressing, but as for the reason why there aren't any new, original games this season... Well, look at the sales numbers for Viewtiful Joe and Beyond Good and Evil from last season.

Post by **Green Gibbon!** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:53 am

I was under the impression that Joe was doing pretty well... it certainly got alot of good publicity, anyway.

Trog13 · Post by **Trog13** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:22 am

Playing through Halo on legendary makes you a fanboy? I guess I'm also a Contra fanboy for playing through them on hard.

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:02 am

Yeah to be honest Legendary is a joke. I can't play on any setting lower then Heroic, and even Heroic feels weak most of the time.

Post by **Esrever** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:34 pm

Green Gibbon! wrote:I was under the impression that Joe was doing pretty well... it certainly got alot of good publicity, anyway.

I thought I just recently read somewhere that it sold a few hundred thousand copies... but I can't remember where I read that. I know it didn't break a million copies in the US or anything... but then, what Gamecube games have? (Rhetorical question, we all know which ones.)

Post by **Popcorn** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:45 pm

I think it's general consensus that Viewtiful Joe didn't sell too well, but I've only heard that said about the PS2 version.

Dunjohn · Post by **Dunjohn** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:30 pm

My X-Box broke down. Whoop-de-doo, about two or three weeks ago, which, when you consider the year-long hype dripfeed, was just in time for Halo. There is a God, and he does hate me.

Still, now I get to play it on a shiny new Crystal X-Box; since the repair woulda cost a hundred bucks and the new machine cost E149, I figured I might as well get the one that came with Riddick and a second (i.e. fifth) joypad...

Moral is, God can't win 'em all. Although, he does make me wait 'til Thursday.

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:08 pm

If any of you losers do end up getting this game, for the love of God, don't play the campaign mode. The game ends after the second act. No fucking conclusion whatsoever. I'll try the last level on Legendary and maybe that will open up something else.

Post by **Segaholic2** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:18 pm

What, so is the campaign mode really short, or is the story just retarded?

Ash Holt · Post by **Ash Holt** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:41 pm

Most people say:

Campaign is short, at least on Normal.

The story is good, but just ends randomly. The general reaction is "Here comes the clima-... credits! Good old credits. What the fuck?"

Anyway, I'm playing through the campaign and having a good time. There are a couple of problems, the vehical segments are wearing thin and it could use more maps with wide-open areas, but it's still pretty fun.

Trog13 · Post by **Trog13** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:31 am

Yeah, it was pretty short. It didn't seem like it had an end. It was kind of like Empire Strikes Back, but without the part where Luke learns about Vader. I just kind of, ends. Without explaining much. I've only went through on normal, it seemed shorter than Halo 1. Me and my friend played it last night for 2 hours, and today for about 6. I guess I'll play multiplayer until the next one comes out.

Post by **Esrever** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:17 am

Is is like a lead in to Halo 3? Or is it just incompetent?

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:12 am

Watch Star Wars and the Empire Strikes back, but not the Return of the Jedi. That's the best way to describe the Halo 2 story without spoiling anything.

Post by **Squirrelknight** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:20 am

Trog13 wrote:Playing through Halo on legendary makes you a fanboy? I guess I'm also a Contra fanboy for playing through them on hard.

Err, perhaps that statement of mine was a little too harsh... um, constantly playing the game on legendary AND reading those Halo novels makes you a Halo fanboy.

I still haven't bought Halo 2, I have to wait until this weekend... I really don't mind if the single player campaign is disappointing, because, well, only about 15% of my time with Halo 1 was spent on the campaign, and the other 85% was on multiplayer. Reading the fall-out from Halo 2's campaign makes me think the same will be true of this game.

As for Viewtiful Joe, the last sales numbers I read for it was that it sold 200,000 copies worldwide for Gamecube in the time it's been out, but also keep in mind that the price for it dropped to 20 dollars a couple months after its release.