How kinky are you?

Light Speed · Post by **Light Speed** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:47 pm

If I remember correctly, girls had cooties when I was 11.

Post by Bo » Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:07 pm

Really? That ended at around 9 for me and my classmates. Nobody called them cooties, though, but that was the gist of it. I never really bought it, but the arguments and fights that would break out over who had been infected were always entertaining.

Post by **Delphine** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:09 pm

I never had a problem with boys -- it was the girls I was shy with. That hasn't really changed. It's alot easier to have a friendship/relationship/healthy shag with a guy. Girls are friggin complicated.

Jaden · Post by **Jaden** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:21 pm

Delphine wrote:I never had a problem with boys -- it was the girls I was shy with. That hasn't really changed. It's alot easier to have a friendship/relationship/healthy shag with a guy. Girls are friggin complicated.

That doesn't make me feel good... If a women can't understand women what hope is there anyone else... And are kids being to sheltered these days... I found porn at 10 and began to masturbate regularly a few months after that...

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:32 pm

Bo wrote:Really? That ended at around 9 for me and my classmates. Nobody called them cooties, though, but that was the gist of it. I never really bought it, but the arguments and fights that would break out over who had been infected were always entertaining.

In England we don't really have cooties, but we do have "the lerg", which affects both sexes. Popcorn has it.

Post by **Delphine** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:20 pm

Jaden wrote:If a women can't understand women what hope is there anyone else...

Oh, I understand women. I'm just saying that some women are way too fucking complicated to be anywhere near worth anything, friendship or otherwise. I can put off calling a guy for a month and he won't even notice; I put off calling a girl for an hour and I get bitched out. If I log on and off AIM real quick, a guy will say, 'eh, she's being flaky', if he even notices at all, whereas a girl will think 'omg she's avoiding me what did I do!!!!/omg she's avoiding me I HATE HER!!!!!'. I am not making this shit up, people. Girls are crazy.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:41 pm

True. I know a girl who saw that her friend log on and off real quick and said "What?! She logged off, she's mad at me!" Jeez...it's just AIM...

Light Speed · Post by **Light Speed** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:33 pm

Bo wrote:Really? That ended at around 9 for me and my classmates. Nobody called them cooties, though, but that was the gist of it. I never really bought it, but the arguments and fights that would break out over who had been infected were always entertaining.

Well we never called them cooties, and no one ever got infected, but we didn't really start hanging out with the girls until like 5th grade. We were in a sheltered private Catholic school and had the same 35 classmates from kindergarten until I moved away in 6th.

J.C.14 · Post by **J.C.14** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:46 am

Jaden wrote: I found porn at 10 and began to masturbate regularly a few months after that...

I only tried that once, and it really never caught me on, strangly it doesn't even feel good to me.

Post by Bo » Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:20 am

Nobody reply, OK?

Isambard · Post by **Isambard** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:27 pm

548....

Segata · Post by **Segata** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:39 pm

Bo wrote:Nobody reply, OK?

I second that.

Wait... shit.

plasticwingsband · Post by **plasticwingsband** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:23 pm

Oh, for fuck's sake...

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:24 pm

My sentiments exactly.

Anyway, to try and bring this thread back to some degree of intelligence, let's go back to the earlier subject about women.

A quote from As Good As It Gets is in order, I think. It's something like, "[When I think of a woman, it's] easy. I just think of a man and take away reason and accountability."

That said, I don't think I get what you guys are saying. "If I don't understand it, it can't be understood"?

Post by **Delphine** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:45 pm

Goodbye, eyesore.

Anyway. I think the problem with most women (including myself) is similar to the problem with most men, in a way; most men think primarily with their dick -- while most women think primarily with their emotions.

This is obviously making a whole slew of assumptions and probably offending more people than I care to count, but it's true. The other problem is, because thinking with ones private bits is considered, well, bad, men learn to hide it, or grow out of it -- but thinking only with your emotions is never seen as a bad thing, at least not for women, so most women never find a way around it, and keep on being silly and emotional and hormonal and stepped on by men who think they're irrational. Hell, I can look back on a lot of silly things I've done or said and know it was irrational, but at the time it wasn't. Because men are wired differenlty, and men are socially dominant, women are analyzed less and misunderstood more.

Hey, that looks good, doesn't it? Unfortunately I'm exhausted and have no idea where I was going with it.

Jaden · Post by **Jaden** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:58 pm

Well first off I speak mainly sarcastically... But on the matter of "understanding" your quote at the end is the sum of all of history... It is basic human nature that if something isn't understood it is to feared and given up on... A classic example would be the Salem Witch Trails... Let's face it people really don't want to take the time to try to understand anything that requires effort to do so... That's way most students usually change their major atleast a few times and why Bush won Florida (damn old people)... People just don't want to take the time understand anything that they don't find easy to... And also the fact that sterotypes fit a role in this... Like it or the sterotype of a women in this culture is more or less that has double meanings for every action and it all leads into a grand complex they have going on the time... So combine those two and you get the basic reason why most males give up ever trying to understand women... But in the end like Delphine said we all just usually think with one part of our whole mental state and as such we don't understand any other form of thought so it becomes hard for us to understand another... And then we make crappy sitcoms about it and they go on for years until you wish the actors would fucking die, expect that one who was in Office Space, well yeah her too but that was a good movie...

plasticwingsband · Post by **plasticwingsband** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:13 pm

One of my distant relatives was hung after being convicted of being a witch during the Salem Witch Trials. My family actually has a copy of her final letter somewhere in which she forgives the town for it.

Post by **Popcorn** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:57 am

I think about my dick emotionally.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:50 pm

We could use some more debate on these forums, even if this particular one has been going on for, oh, about a few millenia or so by now.

Delphine wrote:Anyway. I think the problem with most women (including myself) is similar to the problem with most men, in a way; most men think primarily with their dick -- while most women think primarily with their emotions.

That's certainly the stereotype.

Having said that, I don't necessairly disagree with the stereotype. If you're going to make sweeping generalizations about the genders, I'd agree with it (I'd be hypocritical to say I've never dated a girl just to fuck her or chased a gal just for her looks). As you went on to elaborate, it's the main differences in our wiring.

...thinking only with your emotions is never seen as a bad thing, at least not for women...

Are you sure? I'd say that being dominated by your emotions is looked down upon just as much as being dominated by your cock (my god, but that sounded far dirtier than I intended).

It just depends who you ask, I guess.

...so most women never find a way around it, and keep on being silly and emotional and hormonal and stepped on by men who think they're irrational.

Would you say that women who are stepped on choose to be/accept to be? Do you think that most women are basically submissive?

Jaden wrote:It is basic human nature that if something isn't understood it is to feared and given up on

Do you think that's true or just an excuse we give ourselves?

Is this "basic human nature" correctable or are we slaves to it?

Let's face it people really don't want to take the time to try to understand anything that requires effort to do so...People just don't want to take the time understand anything that they don't find easy to

I didn't bother to read anything after this. Bla bla bla time bla bla bla understand bla bla bla I'm a dirty whore.

J.C.14 · Post by **J.C.14** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:21 pm

Amazing Grant wrote:
Is this "basic human nature" correctable or are we slaves to it?

Nature is something we cannot c\hange, it's just our reaction, we are slaves to it.

Post by Bo » Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:25 pm

Nonsense. We moved up from caves, started civilizations, developed language, wheels, medicines, railroads, cars, and video games. Human nature can and does change.

Post by **Delphine** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:27 pm

Amazing Grant wrote:Are you sure? I'd say that being dominated by your emotions is looked down upon just as much as being dominated by your cock (my god, but that sounded far dirtier than I intended).

It just depends who you ask, I guess.

Well, it seems that most women curl their lip back in disgust when discussing a man controlled by his sexual urges, whereas a woman being overly emotional will get a pat on the head and a roll of the eyes. With men it's a much more direct, open 'bad thing' that they are critisized for, while with women it's a bit less obvious (especially if the other person involved has gotten assustomed to not acting like it bothers them). Men are called jerks, women get the "that's nice, dear."

Amazing Grant wrote:
Delphine wrote:...so most women never find a way around it, and keep on being silly and emotional and hormonal and stepped on by men who think they're irrational.
Would you say that women who are stepped on choose to be/accept to be? Do you think that most women are basically submissive?

I think that women who are stepped on just don't know any better. Sure, there are always going to be women who for some odd reason actually LIKE being the "lesser sex", but most of the time that is not the case. As I said, some women don't know better; others have basically given up. It's hard to fight society, and society tells us that men are greater than women. "Yes dear, that's nice" doesn't have the direct disgust associated with it, but every yes-dear hurts like hell. You either give it up and let it go, or you get angry, and being angry all the time is very tiring; believe me, I know. Even when someone is kidding it takes an internal effort to not blow up at a sexist comment, and sometimes I DO blow up. It's hard not to be extreme when no one notices otherwise.

Amazing Grant wrote:
Jaden wrote:It is basic human nature that if something isn't understood it is to feared and given up on
Do you think that's true or just an excuse we give ourselves?

Is this "basic human nature" correctable or are we slaves to it?

Well, you weren't talking to me, but I'll answer anyway because I'm feeling chatty. I'm going to quote... someone... here and say, "It's not human nature, it's human habit." I will give that it at least seems like a gut reaction, to feel fear when encountering something one doesn't understand; the difference between the cave man and the modern man is whether or not we try to understand it. Reacting to fear is, well, stupid; it's a lack of thought that creates turmoil and conflict.

J.C.14 · Post by **J.C.14** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:31 pm

I took the test again, my kinkiness score rose up to 23,

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:56 am

Delphine wrote:Well, it seems that most women curl their lip back in disgust when discussing a man controlled by his sexual urges, whereas a woman being overly emotional will get a pat on the head and a roll of the eyes. With men it's a much more direct, open 'bad thing' that they are critisized for, while with women it's a bit less obvious (especially if the other person involved has gotten assustomed to not acting like it bothers them). Men are called jerks, women get the "that's nice, dear."

Right. That's from a woman's perspective. That's what I was saying; it just depends who you ask on what's looked down upon more.

From the typical guy's point of view, a man acting on his sexual urges is, if not commendable, completely natural. A woman who's actions are dominated by her emotions is a schizophrenic bitch.

I think that women who are stepped on just don't know any better. Sure, there are always going to be women who for some odd reason actually LIKE being the "lesser sex", but most of the time that is not the case. As I said, some women don't know better; others have basically given up.

Hmm. I thought about this for awhile and I'm still not quite sure how I stand on this.

Initially, I wanted to disagree with this until I realized that we're not talking about women in general, but rather women who are oppressed by men. I think you're probably right, though; women in those situations probably just take what's given to them and accept it.

It's hard to fight society, and society tells us that men are greater than women

This is true, of course. However, when you look at society over it's course, you'll see women have come a long way.

I should rephrase that. It's not women that've come a long way; it's men.

That said, what do you think about how our generation ties into that? Do you think our generation will continue to progress towards furthur equality and individuality or are we too careless? Do women still genuinely care about feminism or has it simply become a means of selfish gain? What I mean by that is, women often complain about the double standard of men being praised for sexual conquest and women being ridiculed for it but are just fine with double standards that work to their advantage.

...the difference between the cave man and the modern man is whether or not we try to understand it. Reacting to fear is, well, stupid; it's a lack of thought that creates turmoil and conflict.

Yeah, exactly. You and Bo absolutely got the point I was trying to make.

Isambard · Post by **Isambard** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:56 am

In light of all the arguements being tossed back and forth I'd like to give my own opinion.

We're all largely part of a society in which bigger is better. The American dream, to sum it up, is this: big house, big car, big yard, two kids, and a white picket fence. We're a male dominant society, yes, but women are quickly rising in the ranks from anywhere to Hollywood and politics to the workplace. So that stereotypical "alpha" gene in all men is diminishing as more women take control in certain situations.

Men think with their dicks mostly because if that alpha gene. The need to be in charge and thus proving that you're worthy of carrying on your line through the human reproductive act. Lions do mock battles with each other to prove which one is stronger and thus which one's genes should be passed on so the pack becomes stronger in the future. I could say it's not men's fault for being sexual scumbags, but we all know that it's not that hard to overcome those sexual urges for rare moments of sanity.

But men having all the powerful jobs with the big car and the house and such are more subtle versions of those mock battles that lions have. In spouting about our BMW's and such we're trying to hook women with the clue that "Hey, he's got worthy genes to pass on," in a limited sense.

And women think hormonally because they're supposed to be turned on by the guys with power. Noble women in Rome used to pay top dollar to sleep with the winners of the gladiator tournaments. Why? They were ugly, smelly, and probably missing pieces of their body. But to those women, the gladiators were a symbol of power, and to be sought after. To have an heir to a great warrior was deemed a worthy goal.

Women are finally starting to shunt off the chains of these former societies in which they're no more than what they can breed with a man. They're getting their own jobs and learning their own cratfs, and slowly showing that they have just as much aptitude as men. But us men are pretty slow to understand that, and are still thinking in the traditional sense.

While I do agree with Bo that we've created a society that surpasses the cave, we're still not much further from bludgeoning a girl, dragging her into our BMW, and shooting off to our duplex.

Besides, we're doing alot of backtracking since Bush has taken office.

Also, Bush won Florida due to the 16,000 votes that were tossed out. So damn senate, not the old people.

Also has anyone else tried that low carb diet? Cuz if so, I want to kill you.