Spider-Man 3 Venom artwork

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:42 pm

Senbei wrote:Feasible, perhaps, but not a good idea. I was only joking.

No, no. Get to the lab at once.

cjmcray · Post by **cjmcray** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:58 pm

I just noticed something.

The first trailer featuring Venom debuted with 300 last week.

Issue 300 was Venom's first appearance in the comics.

That's incredibly clever of Sony to unveil Venom with 300.

Senbei · Post by **Senbei** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:15 pm

Esrever wrote:The original Clone Saga was a disaster. The remake that just ran in Ultimate Spider-man was really great, though. The Ultimate version of the story could never work as a part of the film series... it involves too many characters who are either dead or who don't exist in the film universe... but it does go to show that it's possible to have a Clone Saga that doesn't totally blow.

I really need to start reading Ultimate Spidey, but a valley exists between the back issue volumes and myself and that valley's name is money.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:20 pm

I really need to start reading Ultimate Spidey, but a valley exists between the back issue volumes and myself and that valley's name is money.

They sell them in yearly, hardbound collections for only 30 bucks. That's not a bad price for 12 or 13 comics. I managed to get a near-mint used copy of year 1 for only 15 bucks though, and I'm saving up for year 2. Daddy needs Doc Ock.

Post by **Segaholic2** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:20 am

cjmcray wrote:I just noticed something.

The first trailer featuring Venom debuted with 300 last week.

Issue 300 was Venom's first appearance in the comics.

That's incredibly clever of Sony to unveil Venom with 300.

I highly doubt the significance was intentional.

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:56 am

I think the placement of the Spiderman 3 trailer was a good idea, but it wasn't really all that unexpected. In fact, it was an extremely obvious move. That "300" detail is interesting, but I don't think it's what they were aiming at.

Another obvious move would be a TDK trailer when Spiderman 3 is released.

Shadow Hog · Post by **Shadow Hog** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:01 am

...except <i>The Dark Knight</i> is WB, whilst <i>Spider-Man 3</i> is Sony.

Remix · Post by **Remix** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:07 am

And? 300 is WB and Spider-Man 3 is Sony. The Spider-Man 3 trailer was shown with 300.

What point are you trying to make?

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:40 am

IT WAS NOT ON PURPOSE.

DarkPrime · Post by **DarkPrime** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:36 pm

Post by **Esrever** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:02 pm

Zeta wrote:
I really need to start reading Ultimate Spidey, but a valley exists between the back issue volumes and myself and that valley's name is money.
They sell them in yearly, hardbound collections for only 30 bucks. That's not a bad price for 12 or 13 comics. I managed to get a near-mint used copy of year 1 for only 15 bucks though, and I'm saving up for year 2. Daddy needs Doc Ock.

Amazon has them for only $20 US, actually! And Canadians can get them for about $23 CAN off the chapters.ca website. Score!

That shot of Spidey and Venom fighting is awesome. He DOES have the white spider. Sweet!

Senbei · Post by **Senbei** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:10 pm

All those behind-the-scenes images are really cool! I especially like the concept art for Venom. I can never get enough concept art!

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:41 pm

It still bothers me that they're not using the proper black costume on Spider-Man. The design suited his sleek figure much more than it ever did Venom.

What does everyone think to the upcoming Spider-Man animated series?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/ ... gi?id=9921

I'm optimistic, but only cautiously so, the comment about the organic webs pissed me off.

Post by **Segaholic2** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:43 pm

What, so do you just hate all current Spider-Man comics because of the organic webshooting?

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:50 pm

I gave up on the ongoing Spider-Man comics long before they clumsily introduced the organic webs.

Maybe I'm just picky, but to me Spider-Man stopped really being Spider-Man when Steve Ditko left mid-1966, and the series as a whole started falling apart when they married him off mid-1987.

cjmcray · Post by **cjmcray** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:06 pm

Crazy Penguin wrote: the comment about the organic webs pissed me off.

I don't get why people hate organic webbing.

Let's see, the spider bite gave him the ability to climb walls, give him super-strength, and a spider-sense. Wouldn't it make perfect sense to be able to shoot webs out of his hands, too? Why should he have to build some gadget to help him shoot webs?

Oh yeah, the comic writers wanted Spidey to have a limited amount of webbing, to add intensity to fights. "oh no! he ran out of webbing! ...again!"

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:42 pm

Let's see, the spider bite gave him the ability to climb walls, give him super-strength, and a spider-sense. Wouldn't it make perfect sense to be able to shoot webs out of his hands, too? Why should he have to build some gadget to help him shoot webs?

Oh yeah, the comic writers wanted Spidey to have a limited amount of webbing, to add intensity to fights. "oh no! he ran out of webbing! ...again!"

Because the webbing adds a lot of squick. First of all, webbing doesn't come out of Spider feet. It comes out of spinarets.

Peter should be shooting webs out of his ass with organic spinarets.

Second of all, a huge organ has to be growing in both of his wrists to keep that webbing produced and to shoot it out. And yet you can't even see it really with his wrists showing.

Third, just the idea of having goo strong enough to wrangle an elephant shooting out of someone's wrists is too weird of a sensation to even think about.

Fourth, the web shooters were the only real display of genius you get for Peter, unless you want to throw in goofy crap like spider tracers and such.

But then again, none of it is as stupid as the POISON FANGS GROWING OUT OF HIS WRISTS he now has in the comics. God, I hate you, JMS. Take all of that shitty storylines where Peter is actually the incarnation of Anansi and is the 100th in a line of mystical Spidermen ala Buffy the Vampire Slayer, giving him an Insectoid Furry Spider "inner soul", and fighting vampires who only feed on people with animal/furry traits (Must . . . drink the blood . . . of SWANMAN!) and shove them up your ass - and let the door hit you on the way out.

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:15 pm

In addition to Zeta's comments, the web shooters are just damn cooler and more versatile. Webbing can be fired as a strand, a spray or liquid goop, Peter can modify the formula to use against particular foes, spare cartridges can explode into a huge mess of webs. And yes, running out of webbing or not having the webshooters ready at battle can add to the drama. Hell, someone else could find the webshooters and use them (though obviously they wouldn't have the strength to swing). There's so much more story telling potential, without the grossness of leaving bodily fluids and DNA all over the city.

The internal logic (as distinct from real world science) of the organic webs is weak. Most notably, what the hell is pressing his fingers to his palms supposed to achieve? How does that make webs shoot out? Why do they shoot out at all?

The webshooters were part of the character from day one. They've been part of the character for over 40 years. They're still part of the character in Ultimate Spider-Man, somewhat ironically. Ditching them was a completely arbitrary change for the worse. Similar to Wolverine's bone claws.

Yami CJMErl · Post by **Yami CJMErl** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:19 pm

cjmcray wrote:So, a new Spidey 3 trailer was shown with 300 and featured Venom.

I'm suprised nobody here's discussed this already.

It was the same shot from the comi-con trailer, only now it's clearer and the CG is finished.

It ended with a scene of a badly beaten Spidey walking through a darkly-lit area, and Venom's hands yanking him off-screen.

omg youtube plz <3

cjmcray · Post by **cjmcray** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:25 pm

You can find it there if your put 'spider-man 3 300 trailer' in search

But they are all blurry.

Yami CJMErl · Post by **Yami CJMErl** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:35 pm

O_o Wow, they are. Better wait for this to go up on the official site or something...

Black Rook · Post by **Black Rook** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:15 pm

I don't know about you guys, but I have a harder time accepting the logic of his ability to stick to walls than anything having to do with organic webbing.

Not that I'm especially bothered by either.

cjmcray · Post by **cjmcray** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:23 am

I've thought the same thing.

He can stick to walls becuase his fingers are sticky.

But if he's COVERING HIS FINGERS with the costume, then doesn't that void his wall-sticking powers?

Hybrid · Post by **Hybrid** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:40 am

I can't believe we're arguing about how organic webbing doesn't make physical sense. We are talking about Spiderman, after all, who was bitten by a radioactive spider and can now stick to walls, sense oncoming danger, has superhuman strength and incredible agility. Really, he should just be dead.

Arguing on the grounds of physical limitations doesn't really make sense here. Isn't it part of the idea behind superheroes that they transcend our own perception of what is possible?

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:59 am

Fantasy and Science Fiction aren't automatically allowed to have no internal logic, even if they don't abide by the rules of reality.