Don't like anime?

Post by **Segaholic2** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:39 pm

My comment there was meant completely as a joke.

However, I still maintain that anime is fairly generic.

EDIT: I read your post more carefully, and what the hell? You're saying that you have to immerse yourself in anime before you can tell the subtle differences between them? How is that supposed to make each of them immediately noticeably unique? I will admit that you're probably right on your point, but it's still not a valid argument against my point.

VGJustice · Post by **VGJustice** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:57 pm

I'm gonna HALF agree with you. Sure, a lot of anime looks REALLY generic, but not always. Compare, say, Patlabor to Princess Mononoke.

Patlabor: http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~mwhitley/
P.M.: http://www.lgpnet.com/amg/images/mononoke-hime.jpg

Personally, I think that the styles are different enough for someone not used to anime to notice. Or, just Google for Lupin III.

Double-S- · Post by **Double-S-** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:11 pm

Is it just me or do the 2 guys in Justice's examples have faces that are identical? They even have the same little shading dot under their lower lips.

Post by **G.Silver** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:45 pm

Segaholic2 wrote:it's still not a valid argument against my point.

If your point was just that "anime has homogenous design elements" (edit: oh, if I read your message more carefully, I see it's "anime is fairly generic") then I agree with you, but I didn't care for your tone so I am trying to get around it through the sneaky means of accusing American comics of the exact same thing.

BlazeHedgehog · Post by **BlazeHedgehog** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:44 am

Double-S- wrote:Is it just me or do the 2 guys in Justice's examples have faces that are identical? They even have the same little shading dot under their lower lips.

The faces in Mononoke are different; the eyes are rounder, the mouthes aren't as wide, and the noses are completely different - the artist of Paltabor has a habit of drawing.. kind of like this "notch" for the underside of the nose.

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:10 am

It's because you're all on DRUGS.

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:54 am

i h8 those chinees cartoons or woteva. they al got big eyes and its ghey and makes no sens wots wiv da robts???//

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:04 am

Baba O'Reily wrote:It's because you're all on DRUGS.

Fuck that, I'm going to the next level...

Brazillian Cara · Post by **Brazillian Cara** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:37 pm

Speaking of anime, has anyone here watched The Knights of Zodiac on CN? Boy, what a bastardation of Saint Seiya that was. I mean, Cassius blood is BLUE?! WTF?!!

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:29 pm

I mean, Cassius blood is BLUE?! WTF?!!

Inbreeding.

Post by **Esrever** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:19 pm

BlazeHedgehog wrote:
Double-S- wrote:Is it just me or do the 2 guys in Justice's examples have faces that are identical? They even have the same little shading dot under their lower lips.
The faces in Mononoke are different; the eyes are rounder, the mouthes aren't as wide, and the noses are completely different - the artist of Paltabor has a habit of drawing.. kind of like this "notch" for the underside of the nose.

I think these are the kind of things one would call "subtle variations" rather than indicators of a totally different design style.

Brazillian Cara · Post by **Brazillian Cara** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:13 pm

Zeta wrote:
I mean, Cassius blood is BLUE?! WTF?!!
Inbreeding.

What I mean is that, in the first episode of Saint Seiya (called The Knights of Zodiac in the USA version- exibited in the Cartoon Network) there's a part when a monstruously big guy called Cassius loses his ear in a battle with the story's hero, Seiya. The thing is, his wound bleeds red in the original version (and the brazillian one too), but in this american version, they colored his blood blue, just to avoid scaring the little kids (that actually, aren't even supposed to watch this. It's a teen show, dammit!).

Double-S- · Post by **Double-S-** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:51 pm

Anime series to an American network...

What were you expecting?

Ngangbius · Post by **Ngangbius** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:06 pm

^To be fair, this was on Cartoon Network where some red blood is allowed on DBZ and Yu Yu Hakusho which now airs around the same time block as KotZ used to air.

Though the edit job is all DiC's fault. They could have cleaned up some of the blood like Funimation did with DBZ and YYH without recoloring it, but well...they are DiC.

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:17 am

Yeah, but you didn't get to see Frieza's innards after getting chopped up by Trunks, let alone all the other good bits they cut out.
Censorship may "protect" but I still beg to differ in some circumstances.

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:38 pm

let alone all the other good bits they cut out.

Good bits?

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:40 pm

Sorry, I meant "blood and guts".

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:48 pm

Speaking of which:

<a href="http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns ... p?id=35</a>

4Kids mainly focus on the children's market, but last year you surprised fans by announcing uncut Yu-Gi-Oh! and Shaman King. What encouraged this decision and are you satisfied with the results?

For Yu-Gi-Oh! and Shaman King? Yeah, they've been extraordinarily successful. We unfortunately (or fortunately, depending who you're talking to) have to change those in order to make them compatible for younger children. Some of these things have situations we couldn't air on our network, so we have to do them for our network for the parent's sake. The real anime fans sometimes feel slighted that we change these things dramatically, but we have also released original versions into the trade market which are uncut and unedited, so that the anime fan who wants the original version can get it, and for the younger child we have the localized version which we air on TV so it's a combo of what we do. Obviously Yu-Gi-Oh! has been extraordinarily successful here.

I was actually referring to the uncut releases... your thoughts on them?
We do those, at some level, for the anime fan and those things do, you know, reasonably well. The market for them just isn't as large as the one for the cut version.

Some critics cite that the uncut releases contain uncharacteristically low episode counts, English translations and release schedules. Any thoughts?

I don't know, I don't work in that area so I don't know what's going on with them. I think again everything is related to how we release the cut version.

Can you shed any light on why Shaman King and Yu-Gi-Oh! uncut were postponed?

I think it's because we are still releasing them as cut versions, and we don't want to put the cut versions and the uncut versions at the same time. So we try to stagger the uncut episodes after the cut episodes have aired. So it's just a function of getting those things to play.

So they aren't competing against each other?

Yes, that's exactly right.

In recent years due to the popularity of anime the cost of licensing Japanese animation has gone up. Has this affected the way in how your company does business and how you will do business in the future?

I think we've become more selective. You have to be very careful about how you do it, because if you don't then you're going to end up with a much more difficult situation. So we definitely believe that you have to be careful in terms of the price of your thing and we're certainly concerned about that.

At a licensing convention last year, where 4Kids revealed a first look at One Piece, a version of the Japanese opening with English vocals was played. However, 4Kids used an original rap opening in the broadcast version. What made you consider this opening over the other one?

Yeah, well.. we liked it, we thought it was good. And we thought it was going to be something that'd have a lot of popularity. There wasn't anything more to it than that.

Is there a possibility of an uncut release of One Piece?

Yes, definitely

Is there a time-frame of when it might come out?

Not sure, but we're definitely looking at it.

On a similar note, do you have any intentions of releasing any other Japanese series in their original format?

We expect every series we license to be released in its original form.

*ahem* Reitterating:

The real anime fans sometimes feel slighted that we change these things dramatically

Heh heh heh...

Post by **Pepperidge** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:08 pm

I'm sure Al Kahn has reasoning behind his practices, but he seems to be using a lot of circular logic. It just doesn't make sense, even from a business perspective, to polarize the audience so much that they have to waste money on producing two different dubs for each show. Why not just produce one uncut script, cut it down for television, and market the cut version on television and the uncut version on video simultaneously to take full advantages of both markets at the same time? That certainly didn't hurt FUNimation with Dragonball Z, who often released uncut videos months before the cut versions even aired on TV.

That being said, what these people did to One Piece was an absolute tragedy. No business model can justify that massacre.

Anyway, a few months back YTV in Canada finally got around to airing the last few episodes of the original Dragonball, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that the version they got left the final Piccolo battle in all its uncensored glory, with Goku getting a giant fucking hole blasted through his shoulder, squirting blood and all. Too bad all of the previous versions they aired were "precut" by American censors.

I also can't believe that Inuyasha has to air at 12:30am in the US in order to be shown uncut. It airs at 8:30pm here, and Gundam SEED is uncut at 9:30pm. It astounds me how far American networks take censorship with these shows, but at least you have way more titles then we'll ever see at one time.

Brazillian Cara · Post by **Brazillian Cara** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:42 pm

So I guess the solution is on not focusing on the kids. Are they any worthwhile audience actually?

Post by **Delphine** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:03 pm

What, are you shitting me? Kid watches show. Kid likes show. Kid wants every single crappy toy based on show. Parents buy toys so kid will shut up. Company wins!

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:43 pm

In Soviet Russia, show watches kid!

Brazillian Cara · Post by **Brazillian Cara** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:03 pm

But it's because of these stupid kids that great animes become shit in the USA!

Post by **Pepperidge** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:47 pm

I think it's not so much the "kids" part that's the problem as it is the "USA" part.

Post by **Delphine** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:33 pm

Spazz wrote:In Soviet Russia, show watches kid!

In Soviet Russia, joke overdoes you!