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chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:05 am

He isn't faking the accent. I lived there for three years and found myself involuntarily picking up southern speech patterns. People in Michigan still eye me funny whenever I say "soda" instead of "pop."

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:11 am

That's pretty much it. He wants to appear simple and small-minded. Like he's an "average" guy who understands what poor, Christian, southenerns need - and that inbred rednecks can depend on him.

He's not an intelligent professor who uses big words and confused the small-minded brains of the American public who have 2-second attentions-spans.

He's a regular beer-guzzlin', god-fearin', deer-shootin', queer-bashin', blue-collar, trailer-livin' joe! Just like all good southern men.

Or at least that's the image he tries so desperately to give off.

Post by **Esrever** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:31 am

Well, he certainly sounds more "reg'lar" than he did ten years ago.

http://www.adbuzz.com/bushbuzz.htm

Pretty interesting to watch the difference between those two clips. The senility theory sounds like bunk to me though.

Dark Dolphin · Post by **Dark Dolphin** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:46 pm

I think Christians saying they voted for Bush is really stupid. He really only appeals to the leaders of some protestant denominations while others think he's crazy. Also, if Jesus were physically here today, do you think he'd be friends with the conservatives or liberals?

I think that conservative Christians(and I really hate calling them that) are typically quite elitist. They care very little about the poor, something Jesus did, are quick to attack, something Jesus wasn't, and label people with other views about anything as though they are untouchables, another thing Jesus didn't do(and he also hung around with the "untouchables" and helped them). I think people bashing on Christians should remember this too, because many of us(yes, I'm a Christian) are completely against Bush and his policies.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:31 pm

I just love that Bush, someone that tricked our nation into going to war and has put our troops in an immoral position with no exit strategy, someone who helped pass the single most damaging act ever won on moral issues.

I still can't get over it.

Moral issues! Hah!

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:41 pm

How did he "trick" us when he had faulty intelligence that he believed to be true? Never mind that it was found that the Bush administration did not tamper with the intelligence at all and the British and Russian intelligence came to the same conclusions as we did.

Seriously, I know you guys are pissed because you don't like Bush, but don't invent new reasons to hate him. I mean, you guys do have enough real ones already right?

aso · Post by **aso** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:53 pm

Stephen Notley has given plenty of good reasons over time.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:33 pm

Segaholic2 wrote:Guh.

I don't mean to come off as a big whiny bitch, but maybe you guys could try to be a little more optimistic about this country's future? I wouldn't be saying those kinds of things if Kerry had won (or at least I tell myself I wouldn't, but hey, I'm human).

I know you guys really hate Bush and anyone that isn't liberal and stuff, but not all of us are conservative Christian Bible-thumping gay-hating Jesus freaks. Although in my case, I guess all of those apply except for the gay-hating part. I don't discriminate against anyone based on anything (except stupidity), and I'm sorry that a lot of people that call themselves "Christians" express such violent hatred to gays. I really try my best to not piss people off with my political and religious views, and I like to think that I succeed most of the time. I hope I haven't done that to any of you here, because I consider (almost ) all of you good friends.

Reading all these things that you guys are complaining about is pretty depressing, and I really don't think the next four years are going to be as bad as some of you think (although I'm sure you'll disagree). But please, for the sake of this country and all that other patriotic jazz, could we put aside the partisan bashing at least for now?

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself. It does seem depressing that all of you guys who I'm friends with are so unhappy about this. Like Nate said, I don't think the next four years will <i>that</i> bad. I mean, it's not like the president is exactly a dark overlord sent from Hell. Also, you may already know this but, not everyone who is a Catholic is a "Bible-thumping Jesus freak." Being a Catholic myself, I'm really flexible, and I do agree that Christianity is a bit strict. That's why I'm against anti-gay marriage laws etc. I like you guys, and It'd be upsetting to see political views get in the way of that.

Post by **Delphine** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:40 pm

If anyone ever had a problem with any Christian, they simply need to compare him or her to <a href="http://www.godhatesfags.com/">Fred Phelps.</a> They may then find themselves madly in love with any kooky Jesus-freak that DOESN'T want every single gay person in the entire known universe to burn in hell. Twice.

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:42 pm

I found this terribly amusing:

Post by **Delphine** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:00 pm

This one is funnier.

<img src="http://dontfeedthewriter.com/11t/jesusland.jpg">

Ngangbius · Post by **Ngangbius** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:34 pm

May I have some thoughts about the election. (copy & paste)

I'm not surprised that John Kerry lost as I said since he was announced as the Democrat Elect, 'middle-America wouldn't go for him'. However if the Democratic ballot was a reversed Edwards/Kerry then I'm pretty sure that it would have been a victory for the Democractic party as I've known some moderate Republicans would have easily voted for Edwards and his everyman charismatic nature would have won a few states in the south. I do believe that Ohio would probably support someone a bit more moderate like John Edwards. I am surprised that this race was close though--more than I expected. So John Kerry should feel proud that he did this well. The outcome of the presidental election doesn't disappoint me though...

...the outcome of the 11 state gay marrige-ban does.

Many people who voted for George W. Bush did so not because of his war on terror issues, but because of his morality issues which is why I shouldn't be suprised that it passed in 10 of the 11 states(I think only Oregon failed it correct me if I'm wrong). I do believe the wording of Issue 1 was loaded as if you didn't read it carefully and thought about it, it also shot down any chance of having any support for civil unions in the state.

I voted a hearty NO to Issue 1 but I believe more people would be more accepting of a gay civil union than marriage.

If people want the defenition of marriage to be a religious sacrament then they should keep it as religious sacrament and keep the government out of it. Instead the government should prepose Civil Union as a general term for two consenting adults who want to be united(seemingly permenantly) by the states. Like Zeta, I believe civil unions should also be given the same benfits as the current state of marrage. The problem is that this solution seems a bit radical--espcially to people who are very conservative with thier morals. Maybe it would be best to start out as a proposing civil union laws such as the ones in Vermont thoughout the states and work their way up. Even though the process may be slow, many baby steps can grow thoughout time as a giant step ahead.

There really needs to be a rally to at least support civil unions in this state. That's is just the first step.

And my heart goes out to the bisexual and homosexual people on this board.

Post by **Esrever** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:38 pm

Man, get with the times, guys. We've already got gay DIVORCES up here.

I, too, was surprised how much swing "moral issues" had in this election. Apparently, it was the most popularly cited reason for voting for Bush, well above and beyond even security issues. And lets be honest... when people are talking about a canidates "morality," they are talking about his social views, not whether or not he is honest or charitable.

Who the hell bases their vote primarily on THAT? I mean sure, I like it if my favoured canidate happens to have the same opinions as I do about men smoking pole, but the guy I'm voting for is the guy who I think will do the best job as a national leader. If ideology was more important than competency, I might actually vote for the bloody green party.

How many voters, I wonder, actually took a look at the policy differences between the canidates and used their brains to decide who would do a better job? And how many chose instead to give a knee jerk vote to Kerry just because he was a "liberal," or Bush because he is is a "conservative," even though in many ways, neither of them are either of those things?

Yes, let's all just vote for the guys we find the most likeable. No wonder so many actors are getting into politics.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:24 pm

On a lighter note,
<img src="http://70.84.20.100/files03/bb16/Image58.jpg">

chriscaffee · Post by **chriscaffee** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:36 pm

It surprises me that Michigan voted for Kerry and against gay marriage.

And that was terrible Spazz.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:37 pm

Is that a photoshop, or is it real? I can see the Republicans actually trying to do that.

Hell, in Ohio, when it got bad - they passed around fliers with John Kerry's face pasted on the head of Yugi from YuGiOh.

No, I have no idea what the fuck it was supposed to mean, either.

It would pretty pretty damn awesome if Kerry was the reincarnation of an Egyptian God who could suck out the soul of his enemies. He would've won if that had been true.

Hehe. Now I'm picture Bush getting sent into the "Shadow Realm". He'd fit right in.

I guess that makes Bush Pikachu, and Cheny Ash.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:39 pm

Definitely Photoshopped.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:40 pm

Nevermind Hilary, nevermind Edwards.

I'm all about Obama in 2008, baby.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:47 pm

Yeah, that's what my boyfriend says.

But for his running mate - Edwards or Hilary?

I say Edwards. It's too much to ask the American public to elect the first woman AND the first black man into presidental office at the same time. They're too close-minded to do something like that.

Ngangbius · Post by **Ngangbius** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:50 pm

I think we'll see a white female president before we ever see a black one--especially if he's part of the Democratic party.

Colin Powell did come close though.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:11 am

Really? I'm not so sure. Hillary's got such a stigma about her - it would never work. The Republican s would just keep on saying "If she can't control her husband, how can she control her country?!" again and again and again and AGAIN.

What about a vice President? Edwards/Obama.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:27 am

I was actually thinking the complete opposite, Ngangbius.

I like Hilary, but I have a hard time seeing even a lot of Democrats voting for her, primarily because of her gender. I think even a lot of Dems today still have that "woman in the kitchen" mentality and would hesitate to vote for her.

Even without that, a black president could potentially really bring out the black vote more so than ever before and I don't think a woman president would bring out enough women voters in the same way.

I don't mean to sound sexist, I just don't think that a lot of women really care about politics and they still wouldn't even if a woman was running.

Post by **Delphine** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:05 am

Amazing Grant wrote:I don't mean to sound sexist, I just don't think that anyone really cares about politics and they still wouldn't even if the borg queen was running.

Fixed.

Ngangbius · Post by **Ngangbius** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:30 pm

Amazing Grant wrote:I don't mean to sound sexist, I just don't think that a lot of women really care about politics and they still wouldn't even if a woman was running.

An eligible woman voter is more likely to cast a ballot in the next presidential election than her male counterpart if a pattern identified in the 2000 election continues. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 61 percent of eligible women voters cast a ballot in the 2000 presidential election. That level of participation is higher than the 58 percent of eligible males who voted.

http://usinfo.state.gov/dhr/Archive/200 ... 84075.html

I'm pretty sure that this statistic hasn't changed for this election either--especially when the topic of morality became a deciding factor of who will win the presidency.

Zeta wrote:What about a vice President? Edwards/Obama.

Now as you know, there's been alot of talk about a black vice president. And I just wanna tell the world that it'll never happen. As long as you live you will never see a black vice president, you know why? Because some black guy would just kill the president. I'd do it. If Colin Powell was vice president, I'd kill the president and tell his mother about it. What would happen to me? What would they do? Put me in jail with a bunch of black guys that would treat me like a king for the rest of my life? I would be the biggest star in jail, alright, people would be coming up to me and I'd be signing autographs: "97-KY, here you go."

~~Chris Rock

XD

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:21 pm

They'd problably give him the death penalty, to be honest.