That didn't last long at all.

Owen Axel · Post by **Owen Axel** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:35 am

Yeah, I'll back Frieza up on that one, too. Sounds about right to me.

Of course I also liked how they made it so that Eggman's grampy was a nice decent benevolent dude working for the betterment of mankind, who eventually got fucked in the rear by The Man.

Eggman clearly knows better.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:52 am

And didn't Eggman saved Sonic once from falling off a cliff in one scene in some Sonic Game Gear game...or so I have heard.

He saves Sonic from falling off a cliff only to deposit him in a pit with a robotic antlion.

CM August · Post by **CM August** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:24 am

Ngangbius wrote:
Cypher wrote:Edwin Neal is my second favourite english Eggman/Robotnik voice actor (to Deem Bristow of course).
He voiced him in the English dub of the OAV, correct? Ugh, he made a weak Robotnik, but he was one of the better voices on the dub. That's not saying much though.

Long John Baldry was pretty cool for the character, but I'm probably just saying that because of the hilarity Smorky's cartoons.

Actually, I think Edwin Neal was closest to the mark when it comes to Eggman's character. Deem Bristow was fantastic, of course; but his acting also had quite a dark edge to it which, in the end, doesn't suit the character as Frieza described him. A good example of this is when he faces Tails in the Egg Walker. In the English version his voice is dripping with malice, while in the Japanese version he merely sounds outraged.

Edwin Neal on the other hand sounded like a middle-aged man acting like a child, which is the whole point. Incidentally, I think he sounds very similar to his Japanese voice in SA onwards... which is ironic because his Japanese voice in the OAV is very deep and not at all similar. Lastly, I thought Edwin did a fine job. He cracked me up many times.

Ngangbius wrote:Long John Baldry was pretty cool for the character, but I'm probably just saying that because of the hilarity Smorky's cartoons.

Yeah, Long John Baldry was fantastic. He fit into that show like a glove, and his voice was incredibly unique.
THE SUPRRREME HIGH RRRROBOTNIK

firemario1001 · Post by **firemario1001** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:40 am

I always envisioned Eggman as this goofy, insane, selfish, megalomaniac kind of mental patient. He's a very likable villian because of that, because it allows him to go out of character at times without bothering the audience. (Like he did in the OVA) However, when he really is acting soft all the time, and calls Sonic to help him because one of his damned robots have gone out of control again, that's what really bothers me. I mean he's a mad scientist for crying out loud!

Owen Axel · Post by **Owen Axel** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:50 am

You're grasping at straws, firemario1001. Sounds like you're talking about Sonic Heroes now. What good is a mad scientist specialising in robot manufacture against a gigantic malevolent robot built entirely from scrap metal ripped right out of Eggman's own flagship? It'd be like "Look, more metal. Eat up."

Eggman knows when he's licked. There's a sensible villain.

Frieza2000 · Post by **Frieza2000** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:29 pm

firemario1001 wrote:I always envisioned Eggman as this goofy, insane, selfish, megalomaniac kind of mental patient.

Are you from Europe? I ask because everyone I've spoken to that subscribes to this character personality is from Europe. It's a pretty good one; it certainly worked in the comics. Sort of a middle ground between the Commu-Nazi archetype of the American cartoons and the Japanese one. I'll agree that there's a limit to how soft he should be, or rather how soft a situation the writers should put him in. He does need to come off as a threat or there's no suspense, but he doesn't need to be a threatening threat.

Deem Bristow was the perfect voice for the American version. When SA1 came out, the internet community wasn't as sizable as it is now and I doubt many Sonic fans had gone and looked into the Japanese material. They were expecting the egomaniacal mad scientist, and wouldn't have taken kindly to the goofy version. I sure wouldn't have. The fact that he called himself Eggman in SA2 sparked enough outcry as it is without having the voice to go with it. It's a different situation now though and I don't know what Sonic Team will decide to stick with. I think the Jap one is the most unique and has the most potential, but I'd be fine with a slightly more evil version.

And thanks for the support. Always feels good.

firemario1001 · Post by **firemario1001** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:39 pm

No, I'm not from Europe, I'm just stuck with a mindset that I'm still in the 90's.

Majestic Joey · Post by **Majestic Joey** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:13 pm

The problem is with sonic x is that sonic does not get to be sonic. He barely runs or does anything really cool like in the O.V.A. or the sonic cd intro and ending. All they do is talk and talk and cris gets gayer and gayer. if they made sonic does some cool ass moves and animation like in Samurai Champloo or something like that it would be tight. I think the creators of sonic x are just bad animators.

plasticwingsband · Post by **plasticwingsband** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:28 am

Majestic Joey wrote:The problem is with sonic x is that sonic does not get to be sonic. He barely runs or does anything really cool like in the O.V.A. or the sonic cd intro and ending. All they do is talk and talk and cris gets gayer and gayer. if they made sonic does some cool ass moves and animation like in Samurai Champloo or something like that it would be tight. I think the creators of sonic x are just bad animators.

2005 Post of the Year right here

Double-S- · Post by **Double-S-** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:55 am

Maybe it's the new episodes or something, because I remember the first season or so being pretty awesome in terms of the action.

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:43 am

The first episode was gold. Any subsequent episodes were a crushing blow to the base of the spine.

Post by **Esrever** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:03 pm

I liked the way that the first episode was all about running. Sonic just outruns successively faster and faster things. It was perfect!

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:30 pm

Esrever wrote:I liked the way that the first episode was all about running. Sonic just outruns successively faster and faster things. It was perfect!

Yeah it was cool, but the first season wasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t so bad, it was the second season when things really started to suckÃ¢â‚¬Â¦

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:40 pm

True, seeing Sonic just zip from A to B in a blue flash isn't the same as the running in the first episode.

Senbei · Post by **Senbei** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:50 am

It works in certain circumstances, especially for quick punchlines, which there aren't many of in Sonic X. Seeing Sonic actually moving is what captivates the audience in the OVA and Sonic CD cuts, so yeah, the first episode was kickass compared to the rest.

I'm actually enjoying the third season, to the extent that it's not as bad as the last two, anyway. It's odd: everything about the third season seems wrong and uncomfortable, but I keep coming back to it...

Post by **Crazy Penguin** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:51 am

There was too much "teleporting" in the Sonic OVA. Sonic's movement in the Sonic CD cartoons was perfect though, it took no shortcuts and had a great flair to it.

the third season

Second season. The first was 52 episodes, the second was 26 episodes, a total of 78.

Tsuyoshi-kun · Post by **Tsuyoshi-kun** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:10 pm

Anime seasons are typically divided into 26 episodes each. So it IS the third season, at least to me.

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:00 pm

I have these words to say;
episode 10: Fierce Fight! Sonic Baseball Team
An entire episode about eggman trying to take over the world with a robot teacher that plays baseball and then find it'self and becomes good. And then of course: episode 09 Amy on the Beach.
I dislike using crass words, but, WTF?

Neo Yi · Post by **Neo Yi** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:02 pm

I have these words to say;
episode 10: Fierce Fight! Sonic Baseball Team
An entire episode about eggman trying to take over the world with a robot teacher that plays baseball and then find it'self and becomes good. And then of course: episode 09 Amy on the Beach.
I dislike using crass words, but, WTF?

To me,Sonic characters playing baseball for emeralds is completely random, but I like the different change of pace.

And I sincerely enjoyed episode 9, because it did a pretty decent job on character development. I really think Amy and Knux both had some great episodes dedicated to them in Sonic X. Shame the first 52 episodes decided to crap out Tails.
~Neo

Senbei · Post by **Senbei** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:43 pm

Neo Yi wrote:crap out Tails.

Thank you for the image.

And thanks, Crazy Penguin, for clarifying that for me. But, I have to agree with Tsuyoshi-kun because it's much easier to think of them as three seasons, the first being a jumble of random adventures, the second being the Sonic Adventure/2 adaption, and the third being ... a combination with Queen Emeraldas that is oddly entertaining.

firemario1001 · Post by **firemario1001** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:39 pm

Wooduck51 wrote:I have these words to say;
episode 10: Fierce Fight! Sonic Baseball Team
An entire episode about eggman trying to take over the world with a robot teacher that plays baseball and then find it'self and becomes good. And then of course: episode 09 Amy on the Beach.
I dislike using crass words, but, WTF?

Um, yeah, that happens to all of Eggman's Robots.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:31 am

Given enough time, even if Sonic didn't exist, Eggman's robots would problably all kill him and build a world of happy fuzzy marshmellow love.

What does he program those damn things with?

Owen Axel · Post by **Owen Axel** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:07 am

Zeta wrote:What does he program those damn things with?

LOVE!!

And java 1.0. He'd have better results with C++, frankly.

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:23 am

I bet someone hax0red them.