Shadow of a Hedgehog game: Shadow packs a GUN!!1

Post by **Esrever** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:09 pm

Popcorn wrote:There's some debate going on as to whether this is using the SA2 or Heroes engine. It didn't even occur to me that it might not be Heroes' engine until I read the current frontpage entry. On closer inspection of the trailer (and it really does hurt to watch it), I'm increasingly of the opinion that it might be SA2's engine after all, although the model animations look more like Heroes...

I really think this is just what happens when you use the Heroes engine to make SA2-styled levels. There's not exactly any reason to go backwards, and they never even had the SA2 engine on the PS2 to begin with.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:35 pm

It's funny. We thought the worst they could do was Sonic Heroes 2.

But man, did they ever prove us wrong.

Frieza2000 · Post by **Frieza2000** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:38 pm

There's a lot of screaming on other message boards about this being an April Fool's joke. Is that a possiblity?

Post by **Delphine** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:46 pm

Would anyone really put this much effort into an April Fool's joke? In March?

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:47 pm

It's a little early and elaborate to be an April Fool's Joke.

muke · Post by **muke** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:54 pm

Heat Packing Penguin wrote:I mean, if they really wanted a Sonic game with guns (which is still bloody stupid) shouldn't they have used Fang the Sniper if anyone?

Did I not say this before? Fang needs his own game where he actually is, ya know, a sniper? Shadow does not need his own game, and this is so bad I'm just going to assume that this is a joke. This won't sell to the proper constitutents (sp?) and if this isn't a joke then I think that Sega is truly trying to kill the series and make the hedgehog and friends go the way of Alex Kidd.
If they expect any type of sales, this better at least have a star-studded hardcore rap soundtrack, meaning stuff from D-block and Marshall "I'm A Whiney Beeach" Mathers, nobody with any talent like 50 (listen to his interviews someday, he's not like these other morons) and anyone from Flipmode because they wouldn't stoop this low. They could get sales by putting emo tracks on there, but they shouldn't make this game any gayer than it is now.

Double-S- · Post by **Double-S-** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:56 pm

I was initially going to comment that April was a month away, but I figured that was an old joke. And it was unveiled at Sonic's "Walk of Game" induction; I doubt they'd want to have a crappy joke like that there...

Although as a real deal it's even worse...

Fang doesn't need his own game. In fact, he needs his own game less than Shadow.

CM August · Post by **CM August** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:03 pm

muke wrote:If they expect any type of sales, this better at least have a star-studded hardcore rap soundtrack, meaning stuff from D-block and Marshall "I'm A Whiney Beeach" Mathers, nobody with any talent like 50 (listen to his interviews someday, he's not like these other morons) and anyone from Flipmode because they wouldn't stoop this low. They could get sales by putting emo tracks on there, but they shouldn't make this game any gayer than it is now.

Speaking of which, what is UP with that droning grunge shit playing in the video? Is this supposed to be the new musical style of the series? It certainly seems that way with SA2 and beyond, where it really took off. This makes me yearn for the days when Sonic wasn't biased towards any music genre, let alone rock, rap, etc.

SegaSonic · Post by **SegaSonic** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:06 pm

Ugh! I love Rock...But Sonic Rock is just Dumb...Team Sonic's theme in Heroes stanks worse than Uranus.

They should go back to the FUNK!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:13 am

I'm hoping this wont be the end. I've seen Sonic fans recover and go on. I just hope this isn't too major to get over. I'm already trying to ignore it... unsuccessfully.

Dark Crow · Post by **Dark Crow** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:24 am

SegaSonic wrote:Ugh! I love Rock...But Sonic Rock is just Dumb...Team Sonic's theme in Heroes stanks worse than Uranus.

They should go back to the FUNK!

I'll argue that although the team theme songs in Heroes were atrocious, at least the ingame music was really good. Probably the best part of the game really.

As for this Shadow game, well... let me just say that a Sonic Heroes 2 would look really good right about now, and I genuinely mean that. I'd rather play a kiddie induced Sonic game that accurately represents the Sonic universe, then Shadow pulling John Woo through teenage wasteland. I fear that any hope of Sonic coming back to glory SA style is now all but extinguished for me, with no thanks to the Shadow newbs who think it's cool to hate everything and slash open arteries.

At the very least, SoA couldÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve made that gun look decent, and add in bullet time (as Chaos Control of course).

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:13 am

This gives a whole new meaning to Ã¢â‚¬Å“The dark agesÃ¢â‚¬ï¿¾, not even the fall of the Jedi was that badÃ¢â‚¬Â¦

But in the other hand, if the game sucks, maybe they will get rid of shadow forever...

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:53 am

SegaSonic wrote:
They should go back to the FUNK!

Launch Base and Hill Top had funky face humping basslines unlike the crap music in the trailer.

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:07 am

Even stuff like Final Egg and Hot Shelter had funky face humping basslines. I think we need to see a bit more drum 'n' bass like Sky Deck.

In fact, fuck it. Sonic is about speed and action. We need Mad Caddies for the soundtrack. Seriously, all of you download some mp3s and you'll know what I mean. Hell, any decent 90's ska band would do the trick. Generic rock just makes me sad.

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:18 am

j-man wrote:Even stuff like Final Egg and Hot Shelter had funky face humping basslines. I think we need to see a bit more drum 'n' bass like Sky Deck.

In fact, fuck it. Sonic is about speed and action. We need Mad Caddies for the soundtrack. Seriously, all of you download some mp3s and you'll know what I mean. Hell, any decent 90's ska band would do the trick. Generic rock just makes me sad.

I just listen to the Doobie Brothers when I'm playing Sonic. Or David Lee Roth. Or Toast Machine. Toast Machine owns your soul.

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:25 am

Yeah, ska rules. The style suits Shadow like the drum'n'bass tunes in Sonic Adventure 2. The Dark music for Heroes sucked tho, anyone who has the lyrics "Chaos Control" in the song needs to be buried in cheddar, edam and mozerella to show them how much cheese they put into an otherwise good song.

Omni Hunter · Post by **Omni Hunter** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:29 am

j-man wrote:Generic rock just makes me sad.

I have a confession to make, I listen to Muse when playing Sonic.
(Slaps Wrists)

Dache · Post by **Dache** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:38 am

Esrever wrote:
Popcorn wrote:There's some debate going on as to whether this is using the SA2 or Heroes engine. It didn't even occur to me that it might not be Heroes' engine until I read the current frontpage entry. On closer inspection of the trailer (and it really does hurt to watch it), I'm increasingly of the opinion that it might be SA2's engine after all, although the model animations look more like Heroes...
I really think this is just what happens when you use the Heroes engine to make SA2-styled levels. There's not exactly any reason to go backwards, and they never even had the SA2 engine on the PS2 to begin with.

Yeah, this is why I think this is the Heroes engine. If it's SA2, they'd have to have ported it to the PS2, while there's already an established, working engine already there. That doesn't make any sense. If anything is making it look graphically better than Heroes, the textures just aren't as shit as they were before.

Post by **Popcorn** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:30 am

Omni Hunter wrote:
j-man wrote:Generic rock just makes me sad.
I have a confession to make, I listen to Muse when playing Sonic.
(Slaps Wrists)

BANNED

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:42 am

muse got serv'd lol

Valoc Darkmyre · Post by **Valoc Darkmyre** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:01 am

That picture of Shadow with a gun makes me laugh. Now all he needs is a cigar and a trenchcoat and he'll be completely politically incorrect! :P

I'm not that interested in this game. I doubt the gun will add much to the gameplay experience.

Spazz · Post by **Spazz** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:01 am

Dark Crow wrote:with no thanks to the Shadow <b>newbs</b> who think it's cool to hate everything and slash open arteries.

ON. POINT. My sentiments exactly.

Valoc Darkmyre wrote:Now all he needs is a cigar and a trenchcoat and he'll be completely politically incorrect!

Dude, read the thread before you repeat stuff like that.

One Classy Bloke · Post by **One Classy Bloke** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:34 pm

What the hell is going on?! It's a gun. It's not like the game is gonna be a clone of GTA or something. If they work it well, it will be good.

Post by **Popcorn** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:52 pm

One Classy Bloke wrote:What the hell is going on?! It's a gun. It's not like the game is gonna be a clone of GTA or something. If they work it well, it will be good.

That's not the point. I have three major problems with the concept:

1) Graphically it's very ugly. SA2 looked better than that.
2) It looks achingly similar to Heroes in terms of level design, graphics and so on-- and Heroes was laaaaame. The only apparent difference is this bizarre new gimmick.
3) The whole 'gun' thing is just at total odds with the concept of Sonic, or at least the Sonic we've come to know and mostly love. It's either a cynical (and likely misguided) attempt to cash in on the gangster-culture fad, or an innocent but bewilderingly bad creative decision.

SegaSonic · Post by **SegaSonic** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:19 pm

So are you guys saying you dont like the Funk and the awesome music in the the old Games!?

Thats what Made Sonic...Sonic.

Everything has Rock or rap now, and its getting old.