O enlighten me ye mighty scholars of sonic.

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Sun May 13, 2007 4:04 pm

So a few months ago I was reading some 3d modeler prick's happy lauding of Sonic and the Secret rings ( this person I may add a little while earlier was saying that sonic is so much a part of him that if it continued to be bad he would commit suicide) and someone said it would be neat if hyper sonic was brought back, the modeler prick (who is rather good at 3d stuff) Haughtily replied that Hyper sonic and the super emeralds are in no way cannon, that they are only a semi cheap easter egg, and from what I could tell once I joined the fray that Sonic 3 and Knuckles is not really a complete story broke into two parts but just another cheap eater egg to make people happy. Is the prick right? I disagreed rather vehemently but my knowledge of sonic-dom was not good enough as to give a good case.

WW · Post by WW » Sun May 13, 2007 4:49 pm

I'd have to agree. I don't consider Hyper forms, or the Super Emeralds canon at all.

Sonic Team has'nt said either way though.

Post by **Segaholic2** » Sun May 13, 2007 4:51 pm

It's a widely-known fact that Sonic 3 and Knuckles were originally intended to be one game, but were split in two due to time crunch and other issues (selling twice the number of games was probably appealing). This explains why the two games were released within a year of each other.

You can find evidence for this in Sonic 3's sound test.

As far as the Emeralds and "canon," I'll leave that up to someone with more nerd knowledge than I. Frankly, I don't give a shit about that.

Post by Bo » Sun May 13, 2007 5:10 pm

Who knows what the canon is, given that the stories of the 16-bit games are almost certainly afterthoughts. The Super Emeralds do appear in Sonic Adventure, sort of. There's the tiny versions of the emeralds that you collect, but in the presence of the Master Emerald they're really big.

Rob-Bert · Post by **Rob-Bert** » Sun May 13, 2007 5:52 pm

14 emeralds were shown in a Japanese ad for Sonic Adventure for some reason. There's a shot of it here.

Post by **Green Gibbon!** » Sun May 13, 2007 6:06 pm

Black Rook · Post by **Black Rook** » Sun May 13, 2007 6:52 pm

It's at least ambiguous canon, but I think the fact that the Super Emeralds are clearly there as an added gameplay incentive for playing through a longer game and have pretty much never been referenced again points to them being, well, a gameplay incentive. I'd say they're about as canon as the gumball/slot machine bonus stages.

cjmcray · Post by **cjmcray** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:13 pm

Black Rook wrote:I'd say they're about as canon as the gumball/slot machine bonus stages.

Seconded.

I think Hyper Knuckles/Hyper Tails/Hyper Sonic were just there for easter egg / gameplay elements, and had no real connection to story. Hyper Sonic was basically just a rainbow Super Sonic and had as big of a part in the storyline as "Ashura" had in Sonic 2. Super Sonic is Sonic's only transformation in my eyes. (And I guess Darkspine)

I have my own personal theory that only Sonic can transform using the Emeralds power (hence the painting in Sonic3&K) and that's why Knuckles/Tails were just in little glowing balls in Heroes. Shadow could do it as well, becuase Gerald programmed him to be able to. Dunno about Silver though..

Post by **Delphine** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:18 pm

Green Gibbon! wrote:<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ry.gun.jpg" width=500>

That looks like one of those emerald-shooting cannons, there.

Post by **Green Gibbon!** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:21 pm

Has Shadow turned super at all since Sonic Adventure 2?

Rolken · Post by **Rolken** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:22 pm

It amazes me how it never occurs to those debating the notion of Sonic "canon" that they spend more time contemplating the Sonic story in one of these topics than the creators ever did.

Seriously.

Shadow Hog · Post by **Shadow Hog** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:34 pm

Green Gibbon! wrote:Has Shadow turned super at all since Sonic Adventure 2?

I'm assuming that's rhetorical but I'll bite anyway: <i>Shadow</i> and <i>2K6</i>. Which makes it three times too many; Super should be Sonic's schtick.

Post by **Green Gibbon!** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:39 pm

I'm assuming that's rhetorical but I'll bite anyway: Shadow and 2K6.

Oh. Silver doesn't do it, then?

That looks like one of those emerald-shooting cannons, there.

The Emerald-shooting Cannon (エメラルド発射カノン砲) was only indirectly referred to as such in the Sonic Y anime which is not totally canon because it only uses certain official materials from the pre-Kumono era Sega of Estonia fact sheet. We should take that with a grain of salt.

That picture is actually of Eggman's butt plug, which is why it's covered in poo. That's definitely canon.

Shadow Hog · Post by **Shadow Hog** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:41 pm

Silver does it too. All three hedgehogs do, at once. It's Super overkill, that's what it is.

Post by **Green Gibbon!** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:42 pm

What about Amy?

Shadow Hog · Post by **Shadow Hog** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:42 pm

WW wrote:EDIT: Shadow Hog posts fast..

Yes, I do. Not having a life helps.

Green Gibbon! wrote:What about Amy?

Thankfully, no, it's just the three main hedgehogs.

Post by **Delphine** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:52 pm

Green Gibbon! wrote:What about Amy?

She goes Sailor.

EmeraldGuardian · Post by **EmeraldGuardian** » Sun May 13, 2007 9:06 pm

It never really occured to me that the other super's wouldn't be considered canon..Obviously if the story was constructed more thoroughly I wouldn't be surprised that they fit them all in somehow.

I'd definitly place Super Knuckles into the canon however. Maybe it's the "art" of him in the completed save file that makes me think that, which is stupid as is. But besides that I can't say for sure.

Locit · Post by **Locit** » Sun May 13, 2007 9:10 pm

Delphine wrote:
Green Gibbon! wrote:What about Amy?
She goes Sailor.

Zeta · Post by **Zeta** » Sun May 13, 2007 9:48 pm

What about Amy?

Vaginas can't handle the mighty power of Emeralds!

spon · Post by **spon** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:10 am

Locit wrote:
Delphine wrote:
Green Gibbon! wrote:What about Amy?
She goes Sailor.

What in the everliving fuck is going on here

Opa-Opa · Post by **Opa-Opa** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:15 am

Archie. That's what's going on.

What about all that story about how the emeralds changed from their, ahem, former emerald shapes to the diamond shape we have today during Sonic3K?

I'd say the Super Emeralds are today's Chaos Emeralds, which makes them canon, because the emeralds were always canon anyway.

So is this:

Wooduck51 · Post by **Wooduck51** » Mon May 14, 2007 8:52 am

MMmm Hmm, I always thought the super emeralds were supposed to be canon because if you collected them the ending for Hyper Sonic was slightly different than super, but I haven't finished SK&3 with just super sonic in a while so I am not sure.

Wooduck51 wrote:...but just another cheap eater egg to make people happy...

Now there is some high class writing, along with the use of the word "cannon" it must mean that I am a frickin' master of the English language!

Frieza2000 · Post by **Frieza2000** » Mon May 14, 2007 8:54 am

Opa-Opa wrote:What about all that story about how the emeralds changed from their, ahem, former emerald shapes to the diamond shape we have today during Sonic3K?

Yeah, I thought that was the obvious intent of the hidden palace scene.

Kudos to smile for having an article to reference:
http://sonicjam.wikidot.com/sissyz:chao ... ld-changes

Further evidence is that Super Sonic couldn't breathe under water but Hyper Sonic could. In SA2 Super Sonic and Shadow can breathe in space, which could suggest that the they've been going hyper since S3&K and the designers just kept the golden color and the names Chaos Emerald and Super Sonic. Of course, there's a lot of space levels in SA2 and nobody seems to have breathing problems.

Shadow Hog · Post by **Shadow Hog** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:37 am

Opa-Opa wrote:image

It's a European-esque Dreamcast box... with an ESRB rating. Anyone else notice something wrong with this picture? :P

I should probably try that game out, as I recall it wasn't supposed to be all that bad.

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