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James McGeachie
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I dunno I guess I'm getting the wrong impression but I usually thought of you as the type who thought everything Japanese was the best thing ever. It's probably partly to do with the whole 4kids thing but I suppose that's directed at them specifically and not the entire US dubbing industry, like some fans seem to enjoy doing.
4Kids traditionally takes shows aimed at the 14-17 age group and re-edits them to air for the 1-5 year old age group, so I can sympathize with their ordeal.I dunno I guess I'm getting the wrong impression but I usually thought of you as the type who thought everything Japanese was the best thing ever. It's probably partly to do with the whole 4kids thing but I suppose that's directed at them specifically and not the entire US dubbing industry, like some fans seem to enjoy doing.
youre correct, Im not that kind of person. I only target 4KIDS, because theyre are alot of other companies who do such an awesome job in US.James McGeachie wrote:I dunno I guess I'm getting the wrong impression but I usually thought of you as the type who thought everything Japanese was the best thing ever. It's probably partly to do with the whole 4kids thing but I suppose that's directed at them specifically and not the entire US dubbing industry, like some fans seem to enjoy doing.
And US has gotten lazy with their toons because of 4KIDS, although they still make some good toons.
But remember the old ones when Anime wasnt so big in US?
yeah thats because usa thinks anything colorful must be for kids.4Kids traditionally takes shows aimed at the 14-17 age group and re-edits them to air for the 1-5 year old age group, so I can sympathize with their ordeal.
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I think Nintendo of America had something to do with buying the rights away from them. Not sure who's dubbing now, but I can check. I do know most of the Pokémon fansites were in a tizzy about it...the concensus was that it wasn't fair to the actors and the roles they'd kept from the beginning.
Edit: Here's the details. Campaign's long since over, of course.
Edit: Here's the details. Campaign's long since over, of course.
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Shadow Hog
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The voice actors situation was more 4Kids fault than Nintendo's. That's what a lot of people don't get.
Nintendo (Pokemon USA) did indeed decide not to renew 4Kids contract and dub the show themselves. Word has it that Nintendo wanted to keep the original voice actors but couldn't because 4Kids has a rather nasty clause in the voice actors contracts. When it was time for the major Pokemon VA's to renew thier contracts with VA's, a clause was put in preventing them from working on any non-4Kids series for what I think is a year. For a VA this is thier livelihood, so when PUSA acquired Pokemon and they went to voice their characters everyone found out that they no longer could. PUSA had to acquire new VA's, and the old VA's were left high and dry and forced to let the voices they'd worked with for years go.
This is why the new Pokemon dub narrator has returned to the original Season 1 voice. It's also why some of the lesser known VA's are still working with Pokemon to do voices with PUSA (Kayzie Rogers as Wobuffet and Max, the voice of Misty now doubling as the voice of May), thier contracts did not have the clause which shows that 4Kids was deliberate in what they did which is why so many - fans and voice actors - were so incredibly mad at what they had done.
I've also heard that a lot of companies are tiring of working with 4Kids. 4Kids was stupid in the way they handled things and found themselves in a bind fighting thier biggest money maker in terms for ratings on thier own saturday morning network. The reason Pokemon and anime in general were taken off of Kids WB was so that after the CW rebranding WB would have more control over what goes on thier block. CN is doing something very similar. Yu-Gi-Oh GX was already being aired with new episodes in sporadic spurts. With the original Yu-Gi-Oh at its end and Pokemon being its biggest money maker, this was also pretty much a major deathblow. Yu-Gi-Oh GX has been shuffled off of Miguzi to the lesser watched periods of Toonami, Yu-Gi-Oh Capsule Monsters had to be commissioned from Japan on thier own network to fill the gap, One Piece has been cancelled (anybody with half a brain can see that its a terribly done dub).
If you really think about it the ONLY good property that they have left is Ninja Turtles and no matter what Peter Laird does to try and keep his "baby" afloat, 4 Kids is more about the TOYS TOYS TOYS MARKETING than the actual quality (which they have tried time and time again to sabotage with thier backwards way of thinking :P). Because Ninja Turtles is a 4Kids original and because Laird is partially funding it and has a lot of say into what goes on they have more leeway to get away with more things - hence why TMNT has a lot more developed storylines, biolence, and better stories than anything 4Kids gets thier tendrils around. The lack of ratings (because of how bizzare the 4K block is shown among networks) and the hassles with 4Kids about how they distribute episodes to said networks is probably why Ninja Turtles was sadly chosen not to air in reruns on CN. However, if the new CGI movie (which won't be based on Fast Forward) tanks then that will be the real deathblow because 4Kids will not have a single recognizable powerhouse property left. And THEN it will die off. They're pretty much standing on thier last legs as is... =\
Sidenote: I like a few of the new Pokemon VA's but some of them - such as Ash - still need work whereas as some of them - such as James - sound ten times better and less forced and waily.
Nintendo (Pokemon USA) did indeed decide not to renew 4Kids contract and dub the show themselves. Word has it that Nintendo wanted to keep the original voice actors but couldn't because 4Kids has a rather nasty clause in the voice actors contracts. When it was time for the major Pokemon VA's to renew thier contracts with VA's, a clause was put in preventing them from working on any non-4Kids series for what I think is a year. For a VA this is thier livelihood, so when PUSA acquired Pokemon and they went to voice their characters everyone found out that they no longer could. PUSA had to acquire new VA's, and the old VA's were left high and dry and forced to let the voices they'd worked with for years go.
This is why the new Pokemon dub narrator has returned to the original Season 1 voice. It's also why some of the lesser known VA's are still working with Pokemon to do voices with PUSA (Kayzie Rogers as Wobuffet and Max, the voice of Misty now doubling as the voice of May), thier contracts did not have the clause which shows that 4Kids was deliberate in what they did which is why so many - fans and voice actors - were so incredibly mad at what they had done.
I've also heard that a lot of companies are tiring of working with 4Kids. 4Kids was stupid in the way they handled things and found themselves in a bind fighting thier biggest money maker in terms for ratings on thier own saturday morning network. The reason Pokemon and anime in general were taken off of Kids WB was so that after the CW rebranding WB would have more control over what goes on thier block. CN is doing something very similar. Yu-Gi-Oh GX was already being aired with new episodes in sporadic spurts. With the original Yu-Gi-Oh at its end and Pokemon being its biggest money maker, this was also pretty much a major deathblow. Yu-Gi-Oh GX has been shuffled off of Miguzi to the lesser watched periods of Toonami, Yu-Gi-Oh Capsule Monsters had to be commissioned from Japan on thier own network to fill the gap, One Piece has been cancelled (anybody with half a brain can see that its a terribly done dub).
If you really think about it the ONLY good property that they have left is Ninja Turtles and no matter what Peter Laird does to try and keep his "baby" afloat, 4 Kids is more about the TOYS TOYS TOYS MARKETING than the actual quality (which they have tried time and time again to sabotage with thier backwards way of thinking :P). Because Ninja Turtles is a 4Kids original and because Laird is partially funding it and has a lot of say into what goes on they have more leeway to get away with more things - hence why TMNT has a lot more developed storylines, biolence, and better stories than anything 4Kids gets thier tendrils around. The lack of ratings (because of how bizzare the 4K block is shown among networks) and the hassles with 4Kids about how they distribute episodes to said networks is probably why Ninja Turtles was sadly chosen not to air in reruns on CN. However, if the new CGI movie (which won't be based on Fast Forward) tanks then that will be the real deathblow because 4Kids will not have a single recognizable powerhouse property left. And THEN it will die off. They're pretty much standing on thier last legs as is... =\
Sidenote: I like a few of the new Pokemon VA's but some of them - such as Ash - still need work whereas as some of them - such as James - sound ten times better and less forced and waily.
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BlazeHedgehog
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I dunno. I dug the Viz manga translation for One Piece when it first began (before we ever had confirmation the anime would be dubbed at all), but upon trying to get into the subs...Brazillian Cara wrote:Or, you can go straight to the first episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgBpAHnfcF0
I had a really hard time staying interested in them until around Episode 15 or so. Once that hit, I think I'm hooked.
Even funnier is the fact that Peter Laird's involvement with the show has diminished after Al Khan's pompous remark about how comic books were basically worthless because kids don't read anymore. The way I heard it, that comment really made Peter angry (Peter was apparently part of the same panel).WB wrote:If you really think about it the ONLY good property that they have left is Ninja Turtles and no matter what Peter Laird does to try and keep his "baby" afloat, 4 Kids is more about the TOYS TOYS TOYS MARKETING than the actual quality (which they have tried time and time again to sabotage with thier backwards way of thinking :P). Because Ninja Turtles is a 4Kids original and because Laird is partially funding it and has a lot of say into what goes on they have more leeway to get away with more things - hence why TMNT has a lot more developed storylines, biolence, and better stories than anything 4Kids gets thier tendrils around.
And then shortly after that remark, we get one of the worst seasons yet of the TMNT cartoon followed by an announcement that they will be skipping the fifth and final season in favor of the horrible "TMNT: Fast Forward". Even if the movie is good, I don't know if the TV series is going to get any better as a result. The last I saw of Fast Forward it was barely more entertaining than an old episode of one of the many disposable "30 minute toy commercials" we used to watch back in our childhood.
This is a joke right? The Evil 4kids died? Bill Gates is going to retire? But in the other hand Microsoft is learning about Linux...I guess is only two years before they have the first evil ware for Linux ready…MegaKitsune wrote:If there has EVER been an occasion to use the word "rejoice", now is the time.
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Cuckooguy
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I agree about the anime when it comes to the beginning of the series, and it's partially why I didn't give a youtube link of the first episode. When it starts out, it feels like a totally generic late 80s/early 90s anime with no soul and I think a lot of people are going through the transition of having to get used to the art style. If I had to point out faults with the anime series, it's the mind-numbingly long dragged out fights in the East Blue saga, but the good thing is after the East Blue saga the fights don't drag out as long and the One Piece staff learned how to better pace the fights. In addition, I don't like how Eichiro Oda handles death scenes.BlazeHedgehog wrote:I dunno. I dug the Viz manga translation for One Piece when it first began (before we ever had confirmation the anime would be dubbed at all), but upon trying to get into the subs...
I had a really hard time staying interested in them until around Episode 15 or so. Once that hit, I think I'm hooked.
Despite the grand death scenes where someone should have died but didn't, once you become familiar with the characters, then that's when you fall in love with One Piece. It has a grand adventure story and a loveable cast that rivals Skies of Arcadia and Grandia, and I know that when One Piece ends, I will wish to follow the Straw Hat's adventures forever and ever, even though the series probably needed to end at that time. Even when it ends, I will remember One Piece as one of the greatest and most memorable series ever.
Here, have another image.
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The other Digimon movies are seriously being dubbed? Or already? I seriously haven't payed attention.Delphine wrote:<a href="http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... opolis.</a>
Yay for 4Kids ABOUT to die, but what will become of the VAs when they do? I'm pretty sure 4Kids has still been the recording studio for the Sonic games, but once it's gone, will the VAs be kept and stick around elsewhere? I'd assume they'll no longer be bound by anything.
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The "Knights of Zodiac" DiC? The "blood-recolored-blue-to-resemble-sweat" DiC? No, thanks.
Same here (yet less poetically), altough the Usopp arc (starting on episode 9) was enough to make me interested in the anime- the manga hooked me in less than 60 pages.Poison Eggroll wrote:I agree about the anime when it comes to the beginning of the series, and it's partially why I didn't give a youtube link of the first episode. When it starts out, it feels like a totally generic late 80s/early 90s anime with no soul and I think a lot of people are going through the transition of having to get used to the art style. If I had to point out faults with the anime series, it's the mind-numbingly long dragged out fights in the East Blue saga, but the good thing is after the East Blue saga the fights don't drag out as long and the One Piece staff learned how to better pace the fights. In addition, I don't like how Eichiro Oda handles death scenes.BlazeHedgehog wrote:I dunno. I dug the Viz manga translation for One Piece when it first began (before we ever had confirmation the anime would be dubbed at all), but upon trying to get into the subs...
I had a really hard time staying interested in them until around Episode 15 or so. Once that hit, I think I'm hooked.
Despite the grand death scenes where someone should have died but didn't, once you become familiar with the characters, then that's when you fall in love with One Piece. It has a grand adventure story and a loveable cast that rivals Skies of Arcadia and Grandia, and I know that when One Piece ends, I will wish to follow the Straw Hat's adventures forever and ever, even though the series probably needed to end at that time. Even when it ends, I will remember One Piece as one of the greatest and most memorable series ever.
Here, have another image.
<img src="http://www.vimscape.com/temp/flyingpigs.jpg">
They could always return to TAJ Productions, where they used to be employed before 4Kids hired them away to work in-house. I mean, if they'd want them back (and I don't see why not, among the NYC VA talent pool they're the most recognizable thanks to their work on Pokemon).EmeraldGuardian wrote:The other Digimon movies are seriously being dubbed? Or already? I seriously haven't payed attention.Delphine wrote:<a href="http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... opolis.</a>
Yay for 4Kids ABOUT to die, but what will become of the VAs when they do? I'm pretty sure 4Kids has still been the recording studio for the Sonic games, but once it's gone, will the VAs be kept and stick around elsewhere? I'd assume they'll no longer be bound by anything.
After the first two, the only Digimon Movie I care about is the 3D one...(X evolution). I just hope to be able to get the DVD, since I bought myself a Multizone DVD player (With mpg4 support) as a Christmas present, too bad I cant open the present until you know, Christmas...
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You link to a bunch of humorous One Piece clips and forget the <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=3TlEyKUnp-U">scene with Crocus</a>? For shame.Poison Eggroll wrote: Please sample the show by looking at these youtube clips. I shall do my best to only include to minimize future spoilers and only include the first five crew members.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss0yQfS5D7E">The crocodile is growing out of the banana!</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh4J0iA2Pdg">Zoro and the Southbird</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSshBUfmuBE">Luffy's making weird faces</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adlpNiP-YMk">Usopp Punch
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjIIJ6WQJdM">Usopp AAaaaAAAaaaAA</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2cLnOMhU0s">Jango's Dance Carnival</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsuCb1Ct ... rch=">Play dead!"</a>