chriscaffee wrote:You know what bugs me? When the atheist says there is no evidence. There is evidence. It might not be enough evidence for you and it might not be convincing enough for you, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are philisophical and historical arguments for Christianity and I'm not going to argue them here or get into their merit, but they exist and are more than just rhetoric.
The thing that you miss is that atheists regard the alleged 'evidence' as nonsense. No-one's denying that there are arguments for the existence of God; all any atheist is saying when they say 'there is no evidence' is 'I do not not consider the puported evidence for the existence of God to constitute legitimate foundation for religious faith'.
You're getting mad because Christians are assuming that what they believe is true.
You're responding to Es here, but since he and I seem to be the same wavelength, I'm gonna argue my own case here: yes, atheists 'get mad' when Christians assume their beliefs are true when they have, in an our eyes, no legitimate reason to make that assumption. That's what we're criticising here: the assumption. It's a false assumption. That's our criticism.
For example, you operate as if you aren't going to hell as if that is the only possibility.
Yes, we do. No-one's criticising Christians for taking what they think is true to be true; what we're saying is they
shouldn't think it's true, because it's
not.
If you believe something, great; our suggestion, however, is that you make sure that what you believes is
correct.
You aren't even acknowledging the fact that they might be right, in which case, if they were then they wouldn't be arrogant but loving. I mean you are basically in the same position they are in.
No we're not, because we think we're right. You can respond with "So do Christians!", but that does not have any bearing on our case.
I honestly don't see much of a difference.
Of
course there's a difference, and I don't see how you can fail to grasp it. Atheists and theists-- one of the two parties is going to be right and the other is going to be wrong. Are you denying this?