Sonic's Music Genre

SegaSonic · Post by **SegaSonic** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:10 pm

Im getting tired of the Rock,Metal and crap In the new sonic games! I say BRING ON THE OLD STUFF! (Sonic Rush had good music but...)

What exactly was the Genre of Music in the old Sonic Games?

The New NEXT GEN Sonic Game should have music like this.

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/view.ph ... 6&sub=1975

Click on the top one called Defcon Zero.

Many Jackasses think that Music is the lesser element of a game, WELL THEY CAN SUCK THE...*ahem* So yeah, theyre wrong as hell. The Music sets the mood, the music makes you DANCE! The Music is THE Element~! If your Game has lame music the whole game will stink, its true. But you guys are wise and knew that already right? Anyway!... Discuss!

Dr. Watson · Post by **Dr. Watson** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:25 pm

Hey, some of the music in the new Sonic games is pretty good.

Like this mighty catchy tune:
http://eggmansong.ytmnd.com/
(note: takes a while for the sound to load)

jenkins · Post by **jenkins** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:40 pm

I agree with both of you.

The classic music was fantastic; there isn't enough like it nowadays.

The new music, however, has its share of great tunes. Most of the level themes from SA1 and 2 were amazing, with the exception of the rap ones which Knuckles got. And even those had a good tune behind the terrible lyrics. Also, I love the Advance series, especially the music. That might be crossing the line, but I think it's at least as good as the classics, except maybe for Icecap and Lava Reef.

SegaSonic · Post by **SegaSonic** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:44 pm

Dr. Watson wrote:Hey, some of the music in the new Sonic games is pretty good.

Like this mighty catchy tune:
http://eggmansong.ytmnd.com/
(note: takes a while for the sound to load)

Yea thats because thats one of the best songs in SA2..

Im not saying the new songs suck..Im saying theyre not really what Sonic is all about. The old Sonic Music genre fits like glove, and gives the TRUE Sonic atmosphere! Hard to explain the feeling..but its like a feeling of vastness and longing.

The last Game that atmosphere was felt was in SA1..and a little in SA2.

Music like that one in Newgrounds have that Sonic Spark in them..The Sonic Spirit! The Music is powerfull! Never underestimate the music.

Ngangbius · Post by **Ngangbius** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:11 pm

Sonic music need to be orchestrated. Actually, all video games in the future needs to be orchestrated.

Timestones · Post by **Timestones** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:15 pm

I dunno. There are some videogame tunes that I don't think would translate quite so well to orchestra music. Now, if what you meant was that all videogame music should be instrumental, THAT I can agree with.

HyperFox · Post by **HyperFox** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:19 pm

Sonic soundtracks don't really have a set genre, and that's what makes them awesome to me, and terrible to you, because you fear diversity. I bet you sleep in segregated sheets.

plasticwingsband · Post by **plasticwingsband** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:21 pm

HyperFox wrote:Sonic soundtracks don't really have a set genre, and that's what makes them awesome to me, and terrible to you, because you fear diversity. I bet you sleep in segregated sheets.

QFE

SegaSonic · Post by **SegaSonic** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:26 pm

If you fail to understand what I mean, then thats not my problem.

I dont fear diversity, I fear stupidity, I fear stupid opinions that bring down a once good consept... Theres a limit for everything.

Professor Machenstein · Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:43 pm

Ohshima Sonic = Masato Nakamura's 16-BIT music.

Uekawa Sonic = Hideki Naganuma's JSR-esque music.

I did like Jun Senoue's work in Sonic 3 though.

Neo Yi · Post by **Neo Yi** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:45 pm

I do admit, the mostly 98% of rock and rap-based in SA2 was an annoying thing, but it mostly stems from me not liking those particular music genres, but there are some tunes from recent Sonic games, even if it's rock and stuff, that are catchy. I do enjoy the diversity as well and it's a reason why I enjoyed both Sonic Adventure and Heroes.

And just for the record, I love the 16-bit music, too.
~Neo

SegaSonic · Post by **SegaSonic** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:51 pm

Thats all I ever asked...You know what Im talking about Neo.

You know, like atleast Bring em back...somehow...That kind Of Music set Sonic appart from other games.

James McGeachie · Post by **James McGeachie** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:56 pm

Professor Machenstein wrote: I did like Jun Senoue's work in Sonic 3 though.

Did Jun actually compose any tracks for 3?

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:03 pm

Ska > everything. Sonic should have more ska in the soundtrack. It's so, so perfect for the pace and the feel of the games. Having said that, I did like SA's chilled jazz/funk soundtrack. It's good to hear trumpets with dignity.

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:05 pm

Ska is a bit of a stretch, but Knuckles could definitely use some Dub.

j-man · Post by **j-man** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:08 pm

Not meaning to sound argumentative, but how is ska a stretch? Paced correctly it can give off a really energetic, almost frantic vibe that would really suit Sonic's level style.

Totally 110% second'd on Knuckles dub, though. :)

HyperFox · Post by **HyperFox** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:09 pm

Baba O'Reily wrote:Ska is a bit of a stretch, but Knuckles could definitely use some Dub.

I think the Sonic stages could benefit more more drum n' bass, I also really liked Shadow's theme, they should put more industrial in there too.

Professor Machenstein · Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:09 pm

Remember, character design and music style do go together. For instance, I can barely imagine Uekawa's design for Sonic with the music from the Mega-Drive games. The only reason it fit Ohshima's character design was because it was simplistic, as was the music. But with the advent of Uekawa's futuristic design, we need futuristic music. Obviously, Crush 40's music style doesn't cut it. It just doesn't fit. But with Hideki Naganuma's composition for Sonic Rush, I think Uekawa-style Sonic found its true calling. Music is a key element for atmosphere in games.

Anyone remember Go! Go! Hypergrind? Looking at the graphical style, I'd reckon it would have Jet Set Radio or even Viewtiful Joe's music style for that matter, but instead, we got some THPS-esque Soft Rock. Very unsuitable. Like putting a caveman in a business suit. I believe that's what [3D] Sonic is suffering from, atmosphere-wise. That, and crappy graphics.

SegaSonic · Post by **SegaSonic** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:12 pm

Agreed!

However, Try to watch the Next gen videos with the song I posted.

Sonic Games still look good with the old music if its spiced up a notch like the song I posted!

Baba O'Reily · Post by **Baba O'Reily** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:16 pm

HyperFox wrote:
Baba O'Reily wrote:Ska is a bit of a stretch, but Knuckles could definitely use some Dub.
I think the Sonic stages could benefit more more drum n' bass, I also really liked Shadow's theme, they should put more industrial in there too.

Well, what kind of industrial? Do you mean Trent Reznor-esque, atmospheric, depressing etudes, or just soulless dance music?

HyperFox · Post by **HyperFox** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:17 pm

SegaSonic wrote:Agreed!

However, Try to watch the Next gen videos with the song I posted.

Sonic Games still look good with the old music if its spiced up a notch like the song I posted!

Man, Sonic games would look good with fucking Johnny Cash, because Sonic 360 is looking GOOD, no music can destroy it's graphics.

HyperFox · Post by **HyperFox** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:21 pm

Baba O'Reily wrote:
HyperFox wrote:
Baba O'Reily wrote:Ska is a bit of a stretch, but Knuckles could definitely use some Dub.
I think the Sonic stages could benefit more more drum n' bass, I also really liked Shadow's theme, they should put more industrial in there too.
Well, what kind of industrial? Do you mean Trent Reznor-esque, atmospheric, depressing etudes, or just soulless dance music?

Marilyn Manson\KMFDM style "fuck-you-all" thrash techno.

While we're on that thought, throw in some Atari Teenage Riot-esque digital hardcore...

SegaSonic · Post by **SegaSonic** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:25 pm

no music can destroy it's graphics.

YES THEY CAN! Thats the philosophy that has destroyed many games and Anime. Thinking lowly of Music! Horrible!

Music is key, and should be handled with care.

So far we all can agree SA1 was the most balanced new game in Music, and satisfied almost everyone. (not to mention in Gamplay ^^ )

I still say Bring on the Old School Music, revamped ofcourse!

HyperFox · Post by **HyperFox** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:32 pm

SegaSonic wrote:
no music can destroy it's graphics.
I still say Bring on the Old School Music, revamped ofcourse!

Emphasis on the "revamped", NOT remixed. No crappy techno mixes of the originals (even though I would love that), it needs to be rearranged with better synths and actuall guitars and stuff.

For example let's take Sonic 2 - Casino Night Zone as an example; if the single-player music was revamped I would expect it to be JAZZ, like old school casino jazz. The Multi-player would be contemporary jazz (which is like a fusion of jazz and hip-hop).

I would like my memories of the old Sonics ENHANCED, not ruined, so the only way the old game music would work is the instrumentation was changed, the basic song structure was LEFT ALONE.

SegaSonic · Post by **SegaSonic** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:47 pm

yep

(just go to newgrounds a listen to all the Sonic Songs there, The possibilities! Old School Music CAN be enhanced!)

and yes, remixes should not be made unless the levels are recreated.

But good rimixes can be made for example,

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/view.ph ... &sub=33136

(first red button, Greenhill)

*I wanted a remix of Icecap in SA1 so badly!*