They don't make cartoons like they used to.

[Isuka]

John K. is full of shit, and has awful taste besides. Every piece of work he's done is homogeneous to his own style, but really not good in any way, and is the same joke told again and again. Having your character's facial expressions look like they're coming in and out of catatonic schizophrenia or having a stroke while making poop and booger jokes is not a shining example of the potential of animation.

Well, he surely manages to solidly crack me up whenever I watch his stuff, the same goes for Avery. And if you're gonna criticize people for repeating themselves then you should also be bitching about Hayao Hideo Miyazaki.

[Edgerock]

I think Westerners are improving on animation. At least with certain adaptations...

Spectacular Spider Man is a huge step up from The Animated Series.

This episode in particular is a great example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ieCwtbq ... re=related

[Dr. Watson]

The 90's was by far the best decade for American mainstream animation. The Simpsons, Batman: The Animated Series, the "second golden age" Disney films, the "silver age" WB cartoon series, Cartoon Network's Cartoon Cartoons, Ren and Stimpy, Beavis and Butthead, Gargoyles... splendid stuff, all of it.

[Radrappy]

John K. is full of shit, and has awful taste besides. Every piece of work he's done is homogeneous to his own style, but really not good in any way, and is the same joke told again and again. Having your character's facial expressions look like they're coming in and out of catatonic schizophrenia or having a stroke while making poop and booger jokes is not a shining example of the potential of animation.

Well, he surely manages to solidly crack me up whenever I watch his stuff, the same goes for Avery. And if you're gonna criticize people for repeating themselves then you should also be bitching about Hayao Hideo Miyazaki.

see, but Hideo never said John K sucked ass. The worst thing about John K isn't the work he creates, it's the ridiculous things he says.

And hell, the only thing worse than that is his collection of followers that will hang off his every word like its straight from the mouth of Yahweh himself.

[Oompa Star]

My mom wouldn't let me watch the Smurfs because it had magic.

Reminds me of parents who won't let their children read Harry Potter because of witchcraft going against their Christian values.

[Crowbar]

John K. is full of shit, and has awful taste besides. Every piece of work he's done is homogeneous to his own style, but really not good in any way, and is the same joke told again and again. Having your character's facial expressions look like they're coming in and out of catatonic schizophrenia or having a stroke while making poop and booger jokes is not a shining example of the potential of animation.

Well, he surely manages to solidly crack me up whenever I watch his stuff, the same goes for Avery. And if you're gonna criticize people for repeating themselves then you should also be bitching about Hayao Hideo Miyazaki.

see, but Hideo never said John K sucked ass.

I don't think John K's ever even mentioned Miyazaki (and believe me, I have actually looked). Unless that's not what you're saying.

[Tsuyoshi-kun]

I don't think John K's ever even mentioned Miyazaki (and believe me, I have actually looked). Unless that's not what you're saying.

Someone once mentioned on his blog what his opinion would be for those who preferred Miyazaki films or the likes of comic book movies to that of Bugs Bunny and such, and he said the following:

"Then you'd be someone who doesn't like good animation.

Or someone who was kicked in the head when they were little."

[Radrappy]

I don't think John K's ever even mentioned Miyazaki (and believe me, I have actually looked). Unless that's not what you're saying.

chya, I'm sure john K is totally a Miyazaki fan.

[Crowbar]

I don't think John K's ever even mentioned Miyazaki (and believe me, I have actually looked). Unless that's not what you're saying.

Someone once mentioned on his blog what his opinion would be for those who preferred Miyazaki films or the likes of comic book movies to that of Bugs Bunny and such, and he said the following:

"Then you'd be someone who doesn't like good animation.

Or someone who was kicked in the head when they were little."

Well that I didn't know. Thanks for that.

[Isuka]

To be fair, John is talking about the technical quality of the animation itself, not about the quality of the show's/ short subject's/ feature film's contents in question. Say, if we are to discuss The Flintstones, I'd say is a pretty darn entertaining show, but it has piss-poor, half-assed, butt-fugly, et cetera animation.

[Wombatwarlord777]

But Miyazaki's production values are incredibly high, epecially by the standards of anime. Looking at John K.'s website, I'd be led to believe he doesn't like Miyazaki's works because his art really doesn't readily lend itself to bizzare, comedic forms.

[Zeta]

And the ripping friends wasn't well animated OR entertaining.

[Crazy Penguin]

Freakazoid never did it for me. He was a watered down Madman and the show generally came across as a second rate Animaniacs sketch.

[Crowbar]

I won't argue whether it was entertaining or not since I don't find it particularly funny either, but I don't see how you can say The Ripping Friends wasn't well animated. I was going to say how "limited" doesn't mean "bad" (strong poses and good drawing are more important than lots of elaborate movements or everything being animated on 1s), but checking again on Youtube, Ripping Friends wasn't even particularly limited.

John K doesn't like "bland" things, which I guess would be his complaint about every aspect of Ghibli movies, in terms of drawing, animation, characterisation, and story (it's what he says about Disney movies, though he frequently acknowledges the technical strength of their earlier films). For the latter in particular he often complains about the insincere (to his eyes) pathos and false morals that alot of animation, both feature and for TV, has these days.
So if he said that about Ghibli films he was definitely referring to more than just the animation.

For the record I don't know where I stand with all this just yet.

[Arcade]

Tex Avery you are our god...

[j-man]

Freakazoid was quite hit and miss, but there were some genuinely witty sketches and characters (Youtube the "lip sync" clip and the Quantum Leap parody, they're excellent) and, of course, the theme tune was awesome.

As for John K? He really complains about "false" morality in modern animation? Have you seen the disgusting shit he comes up with when left to his own devices? That guy wouldn't know morality if it came in his face. Christ, Ren and Stimpy should've died with Nickelodeon. Farts are always funny, but boobies have kind of lost their novelty, pre-pubescent giggle appeal. That guy needs to seriously whack off before he makes his cartoons, or just straight up declare himself a furry (watch the Tenacious D video for "Classico" at your peril).

[Crowbar]

As for John K? He really complains about "false" morality in modern animation? Have you seen the disgusting shit he comes up with when left to his own devices? That guy wouldn't know morality if it came in his face. Christ, Ren and Stimpy should've died with Nickelodeon. Farts are always funny, but boobies have kind of lost their novelty, pre-pubescent giggle appeal. That guy needs to seriously whack off before he makes his cartoons, or just straight up declare himself a furry (watch the Tenacious D video for "Classico" at your peril).

You misunderstand entirely. He hates shallow clichéd messages like "You've just gotta be yourself!" or "The power of friendship!". Messages that the director doesn't actually believe, basically.

If you don't buy the gross and sexual humour that's fair enough, but it's not like it's the only thing he does.

[MiraiTails]

... as well as what the hell the world will do four Avatars later.

Couldn't Aang hypothetically have a kid that could learn to air bend? Granted, it might become a problem as the air bending blood got diluted over generations, but it's something.

And there's always the cop out answer of "oh, it turns out he wasn't the last after all."

[Isuka]

Can somebody explain me when did Kricfalusi complain about Ghibli?

Or perhaps you misunderstood my comment about Zeta's bitching?

Because it seems to me Kricfalusi actually likes animu (particularly its coloring) quite an awful lot.

[j-man]

Tad on the racist side, I notice.

[Zeta]

If you don't buy the gross and sexual humour that's fair enough, but it's not like it's the only thing he does.

I really would not count Old Navy commercials as valid creative output to be compared alongside his constant half-hour boobie, fart, and twitching facial expression extravaganzas.

[Crowbar]

Can somebody explain me when did Kricfalusi complain about Ghibli?

Or perhaps you misunderstood my comment about Zeta's bitching?

Because it seems to me Kricfalusi actually likes animu (particularly its coloring) quite an awful lot.

You're reaching. Tsuyoshi-kun already posted a comment which shows pretty clearly what he thinks of Miyazaki's films. And the colour is pretty much the only thing he likes about anime (and even there he points out, accurately, that it's very cold). I believe he's also admitted that while anime is "bland", it's still got alot more variety and honesty than mainstream western cartoons today, but on the whole he doesn't like it.

If you don't buy the gross and sexual humour that's fair enough, but it's not like it's the only thing he does.

I really would not count Old Navy commercials as valid creative output to be compared alongside his constant half-hour boobie, fart, and twitching facial expression extravaganzas.

Then you're just picking and choosing what you want to acknowledge.
I should also point out that for Ren and Stimpy's Adult Party Cartoon (which I assume is what you're talking about, as the original Ren and Stimpy isn't even that extreme by today's standards) the actual brief from Spike TV was to make it more gross and "adult". The George Liquor stuff he's doing recently is probably a much better representation of what he wants to do (and while it's certainly got its share of piss, poo, and sexual humour it's really not as much as, say, South Park).
It's not like he doesn't want to do more cute stuff, either (though this pitch is almost 2 years old by now).

[Crazy Penguin]

Freakazoid was quite hit and miss, but there were some genuinely witty sketches and characters (Youtube the "lip sync" clip and the Quantum Leap parody, they're excellent) and, of course, the theme tune was awesome.

Can't argue there. I think the main problem was that it had little going for it other than wackiness, and it wasn't even particularly original wackiness.

As for John K? He really complains about "false" morality in modern animation? Have you seen the disgusting shit he comes up with when left to his own devices? That guy wouldn't know morality if it came in his face. Christ, Ren and Stimpy should've died with Nickelodeon. Farts are always funny, but boobies have kind of lost their novelty, pre-pubescent giggle appeal. That guy needs to seriously whack off before he makes his cartoons, or just straight up declare himself a furry (watch the Tenacious D video for "Classico" at your peril).

Yeah, hard to take a guy seriously about the decline in animation quality when he's made a career out of fart joke cartoons.

[Tsuyoshi-kun]

Where are all these supposed "fart joke" cartoons from John K. you talk about? I'm thinking that all the Ren and Stimpy haters have never seen more than 2 episodes of the show, if that much. It's like saying Animaniacs was nothing more than a show about three hyperactive children running around yelling random shit while pissing others off.

[Zeta]

Where are all these supposed "fart joke" cartoons from John K. you talk about? I'm thinking that all the Ren and Stimpy haters have never seen more than 2 episodes of the show, if that much

How to write a Ren and Stimpy episode:
* Insert intro where it is implied that Ren and Stimpy are gay lovers. Homosexuals are funny.
* Insert some scatological humor. Boogers, farts, eating kitty litter.
* Have Stimpy due something stupid. Have Ren yell at him.
* Introduce some random side-characters and play some 1950s style sitcom or commercial music in the background, oh so cleverly both satirizing and praising Americana.
* Parody 1950s commercialism and marketing.
* Have everyone constantly perform spastic and nonsensical facial expressions as if they were having a stroke and an orgasm at the same time. The whole point of animation is making characters have funny faces after all, and any cartoon that doesn't have squinting, bulging eyes, leering, tons of wrinkles and the like is worthless shit.
* Introduce some gross still closeups of pimples, pores, asscheeks, rotting skin, rotting teeth and the like with a woman screaming in the background. THAT never gets old.
* Le Fin. Another masterpiece.

It's like saying Animaniacs was nothing more than a show about three hyperactive children running around yelling random shit while pissing others off.

I doubt the makers of Animaniacs ever claimed to be the last bastion of animation as art and that all their contemporaries produced nothing but piles of shit.